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Galanthus August 2015
« on: August 02, 2015, 01:36:51 PM »
Is this Galanthus plicatus?
It seems to have pleated leaves,
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2015, 04:24:29 PM »
I saw Anthony  querying that, fermi - looks pleated to me- but what do I know? I've asked a woman who knows though.................. :)
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2015, 04:55:07 PM »
Going on those photos I'd say yes plicatus
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2015, 06:59:42 PM »
Elwesii sometimes has pleats and the top of the leaf makes me think of elwesii.  Can you get a photograph that shows the base of the leaves and whether one enfolds the other?
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2015, 09:02:07 PM »
Yes a close up of the base of the leaves would prove it is or isn't  ,outer leaf wrapped round the inner one of the pair (supervolute) would be elwesii . Which sometimes has tram lines on the leaves
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2015, 11:35:54 PM »
Yes, it's a facet of elwesii that has always puzzled me.  Some have leaves with very clear folds/tram-lines whilst others don't show this.  I think it varies from one cultivar to another but it rarely, if ever, gets mentioned in descriptions 
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2015, 12:38:08 AM »
Thanks,
I'll try to get a close up of the base tomorrow morning before work, otherwise it'll be the weekend!
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2015, 12:07:28 PM »
My seedlings of elwesii have the folds, but inwards, quite opposite from plicatus.
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2015, 01:11:57 PM »
I would say the folds in the picture are inwards (so the edges of the leaf are angled up towards the sky rather than down towards the ground) and this is particularly apparent at the tip of the leaf.  That's what made me think elwesii.
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2015, 01:32:14 PM »
I would say the folds in the picture are inwards (so the edges of the leaf are angled up towards the sky rather than down towards the ground) and this is particularly apparent at the tip of the leaf.  That's what made me think elwesii.

 That seems to be the case in only one of the leaves shown, though, Alan.
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2015, 08:30:23 PM »
One is enough, Maggi.
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2015, 05:34:28 AM »
I just took this quick photo of my own single plicatus (the other bits are of Ery. tuolumnense and shouldn't be there). The two leaves are definitely face to face, no sign of folding at all. I also took one of the tip but got the focus wrong and it's bitter out so it can wait. but again, no sign of the "hood" just the tip a little bit paler and slightly thickened.
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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2015, 06:52:03 AM »
The hooded leaf apex is not a plicatus trait. Also the leaves are very grey. I'm punting elwesii by a country mile. 

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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2015, 08:09:13 AM »
PS Or a hybrid of it (with plicatus) M

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Re: Galanthus August 2015
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2015, 10:12:33 AM »
Well it doesn't show it very clearly on the pic, but the leaf bases are enfolded!
So, it is either a hybrid or a form of pleated leaf G. elwesii.
Thanks for all the help in sorting it out - now to write out another label!
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