Cyclamen 2016

[Naoto The Zombie]

Hello! I would be greatly appreciated if anyone could answer my question for me noob - what is the difference between "ex CSE seeds" and "site-numbered CSE seeds"? Aren't both the same?

[cycnich]

Yes there is a big difference. The CSE list contains seed from the original collected plants that are still alive and are being looked after by members. These will have a number attached to them ie  93159G.  This is  plant 159 collected in 1993 in Greece. Seed from this plant should hopefully give you some seedlings that have the characteristics of the parent plant. Ex CSE seed is seed from subsequent generations of seedlings from collected plants which may still be showing the characteristics of the original but they may be weakened as generations progress but are still traceable back to the original collected plant. Hope this makes sense.

[Graeme]

in the 2 or 3 million bookmarks i seem to have I remebered this one
http://s463.photobucket.com/user/Tim_Murphy/library/Cyclamen%20mirabile%20CSE?sort=3&page=1

Not sure if any of these plants are still alive but an intersting set of photos - anyone got any links to pictures of any of the other cse plants?

[SJW]

Not sure if any of these plants are still alive but an intersting set of photos - anyone got any links to pictures of any of the other cse plants?

Yes, some of them are still alive although obviously over time there are casualties. In due course the revamped Cyclamen Society website should have more plant photos uploaded, and I expect CSE plants will also feature - where images are available. The photos you linked to, of plants in the care of Tim Murphy at the time, would be good to have available on the new website, for example.

[Ant]

Is there a list of all the CSE plants that are still alive

[Naoto The Zombie]

@cycnich

So.....you meant that the CSE seeds with the certain numbers I obtained last year are F1, and ex CSE seeds are F2....am I right? 

[SJW]

@cycnich

So.....you meant that the CSE seeds with the certain numbers I obtained last year are F1, and ex CSE seeds are F2....am I right? 

If they were from the CSE seedlist then it is the seed from the parent (collected) plant. So first generation. From seed exchanges, ex CSE seed can be from any offspring of the original collected plant - could be seed from a 2nd generation plant, or from many generations down the line. A good example is ex CSE C. coum seed. I don't think any of the parent plants are still alive - they were collected in the late '80s - so any seed these days will be from subsequent generations of ex CSE plants.

[cycnich]

Thanks Steve for explaining that so well.I was beginning to confuse myself.

[Naoto The Zombie]

@SJW, @cycnich
Thanks a million! Now it's crystal clear.....

[johnw]

A hederifolium with a pink flush, via Melvyn's seed of course.


johnw - dark, soggy & dismal.

[annew]

Gorgeous!

[SJW]

...A good example is ex CSE C. coum seed. I don't think any of the parent plants are still alive - they were collected in the late '80s - so any seed these days will be from subsequent generations of ex CSE plants.

You never know what's going to pop up but if you know what the parent plant looks like then you can rogue out the seedlings. C. coum ex CSE 88397, for example, should have bright silver leaves with a contrasting green X-mas tree centre. There is one named C. coum plant in cultivation which was introduced from a Cyclamen Society expedition (Israel 1990): 'Golan Heights'. The collection number was cse 90417 and it breeds true in cultivation - an albissimum form with plain green leaves. The field notes say the parent plant was collected from Mas'ada on the road to Odem and El Rom. Altitude 1125 m (3390 ft). North-northwest aspect, coarse terra rossa clay with outcrops of basaltic lavas and areas of loose stones.

[Mark Griffiths]

The originals might be alive. I have Cyclamen purpurascens tubers collected in 1981. Until recently I had C.mirabile from the infamous Woolworth's dried "hederifolium" offerings (I bought 4, two turned out to be cilicium, 2 were mirabile).

[ruben]

i really love the free seedlings of cyclamen coum

[Graeme]

i really love the free seedlings of cyclamen coum

some great silvers next to the fence