Pleione 2016

[ian mcdonald]

P. krakatoa just in flower, img 1010098.

[Nova]

I've wondered for which reasons they sell their plants without a name or parentage, and I could think of  only 3 possible reasons:

1) They may not know themselves the parentage of the plants they sell, having bought either the mother plants or the seedling from not-so-reliable sources (remember they specialise in phalaenopsis reproduced by meristem by the million, sold under commercial names they gave them which have nothing to do with the official nomenclature and more with trademarks, and in anthurium... It's very well possible they just bulk buy young pleiones, considering that you can sometimes see different pleiones in the same pot, at least on those sold here...)

2) They may be in the process of registering those crosses and do not want someone to register those before them ("industrial secret")

3) Preventing further hybridation work based on theirs; no parentage nor name means you cannot register further crosses made using their plants as parents (intellectual property forbidding derivative work)

How about they just don't care to register?
Anthura know the parentage very well. They make so may hybrids each year they can't and won't find the time to register each cross. As Nic van der Knaap explained to me it's pointless. Jan Moors from Albiflora also doesn't care to register hybrids and cultivars.
We shouldn't be bothered about names and just enjoy the beauty of the flowers.

[karel_t]

We shouldn't be bothered about names and just enjoy the beauty of the flowers.

It is very interesting opinion Nova, however I can't identify with that. I know that is comming the time when companies such Anthura will produce thousands of nameless hybrids of Pleione, as we can see nowadays with Phalaenopsis. By my opinion the plants shered here are nothing exceptional and by me they are a little below average compared to Ian's or Paul's crossings. For collecting are NO-NAMES almost worthless, although they can be very beautiful. 
K.

[yannsavoie]

Purists like to have parentage. But remains a beautiful flower a beautiful flower.
To plant breeders have a name on selected plants is a kind of consecration for the work

[sjusovare]

It's not only purist actually, and more than a name, it's the parentage that we like to have.

Jan Moors indeed doesnt registers his crosses, but on his lists on his site, he always sells them with the parentage.

Without it, it just becomes a commercial good like those generic supermarket phalaenopsis sold by millions (and if those have greatly reduced the price of phalaenopsis, the quality also has decreased by as much, but who cares, it's just a throwable generic decoration stuff...) add to this that almost no breeder even bother working on improving phalaenopsis anymore, it's just not worth the work considering the prices, and that the "cloned by millions" also introduced a huge vulnerability to viruses which was not present in the original populations found in collections.

Coming back to pleiones, the main problem I find with the plants originally sold by this company (and resold in our garden centers under the name "garden orchid") is that it is a big lotterie, some will grow well, the next pot -bought the same day at the same place under the same label- willl be very weak, you cannot trust the coloring nor the behavior, and I even had several different flowers in the same package, adding to this that the price on which it is resold is quite expensive for a nameless clone while there are lots of identified plants which are cheaper and reliable in terms of colour and behavior.

[Maren]

Very true. Also, in my experience, orchids that have been pushed very hard to produce larger than average bulbs usually do not do so well the year after.

[Nova]

So there you go friends, Anthura is indeed a commercial company.
You love their Pleiones or you don't. Like always in life we have choices

[Nova]

Lhasa 'Blushes', formosana x chunii, Piton 'Sering' and Koolplant's best clone from 1000's grandiflora.

Last picture is a mysterious cross I received as a gift labeled "for x T021". I believe I can see aurita genes, others think about scopulorum.
Whatever the parentage may be it's not bad at all.

[Maggi Young]

They are all lovely!  Perhaps it is better to have no name than to have the wrong name, eh? 

[Nova]

You're right Maggi

[ian mcdonald]

I suppose there are only so many colour combinations then we get repeats, as in roses.

[Johan K.]

Hi Johan
Is this picture true to the color. It seems that yours are more purple compare to mine.
Regards Erling

Hello Erling,

A little bit late.
It's the true color. In reply 20 you see another Pleione 'Sirena' that i have.

[Johan K.]

Pleione 'Captain Hook'

Pleione Krakatoa 'Wheatear'

Pleione Rakata' Redwing'

Pleione 'Salek'

Pleione 'Zeus Weinstein'

[erf]

And a few Pleione from my end of the world. All of them are a bit late this year, but now the spring has realy started.
And for the discussion on named or unnamed Pleione. I like very much to have at least the parents of the clone and if possible also a name. The thing for me is, that I like to grow Pleione as a hobby and I am also a collection man. With all these new hybrids that are send in to the market, the collection part of it seems to fade away. To me that is loosing part of the hobby. But as Nova says, some of the new hybrids are nice and some look .... awful.
But I have some....



Regards Erling

[erf]

and a few more

Regards Erling