ALLIUM 2016

[Maggi Young]

Super sleuthing, well done Gabriela.

 Hear, hear!!  Well done, Gabriela.

[Chris Johnson]

It'll come back to me.

I like the optimism of youth - nothing comes back to me these days.

[Chris Johnson]

Hear, hear!!  Well done, Gabriela.

Third-ed.

[Gabriela]

Thank you Matt and Maggi.
I really just got curious, I am not into Alliums. The Plant list doesn't provide too many details so I'm not into it either

[TheOnionMan]

One needs to look no further than the recent landmark publication "A Taxonomic Review of Allium subg. Melanocrommyum in Iran", by Reinhard Fritsch & Merhdad Abbasi, Gatersleben 2013, 244 pages. It's available as a free PDF download, fully illustrated with color photographs, a superb work.

http://www.ipk-gatersleben.de/gbisipk-gaterslebendegbis-i/spezialsammlungen/allium-review/

Then see Taxa #49 Allium pseudobodeanum  (A. bodeanum sensu Wendelbo, Flora Iranica 1971).  At the bottom of the botanical description there's some discussion, here's a snippet:

"Wendelbo (1977) used the name A. bodeanum for small and compact plants with smooth
broad leaves, shorter scape, and whitish-lilac flowers as pictured in his book "Tulips and Irises of Iran".
After rejection of the name A. bodeanum (Brummitt 2001), the taxon meant by Wendelbo remained
without name and was described as A. pseudobodeanum. Later investigations showed that two taxa
were involved, pale forms of A. elburzense, and A. pseudobodeanum."

Search on the name "bodeanum" to find other misapplied IDs, with bodeanum in synonymy with cristophii and ellisii.

ps: the onion man returns 

[fermi de Sousa]

ps: the onion man returns 

Yay!
We've missed you!
cheers
fermi

[Chris Johnson]

Thanks Mark, we now have the nub of the issue.

No doubt A. bodeanum and A. cristophii (A, christophii) will still be used in tandem.

[LucS]

That is what I have found on several sites, Lori. Most confusing is:
http://www.eu-nomen.eu/portal/taxon.php?GUID=A9137916-9B04-4ED2-9783-CB963E2752C5#
where they call A. bodeanum a 'heterotypic synonym', which I don't pretend to fully understand.

Why is it them that some noted suppliers and members of this forum are using A. bodeanum?

There is a new treatment of this section of allium by Fritsch, at least for Iran.
If I am right there were several different Iranian plants circulating in the past under the name A. bodeanum. Therefore the name A. bodeanum is rejected and replaced by several new descriptions.
One of these new names is A. pseudobodeanum.
A. pseudobodeanum and A. christophii are clearly different species for me.  I have to look it up but I think they are growing in a different area in Iran.

[TheOnionMan]

Luc, see my message 3 messages above, I gave the download link + info on the new Reinhard Fritsch treatment of Allium subgenus melanocrommyum in Iran. Many new species described and pictured, many confusing taxa sorted out.

[wmel]

However there is proof a lot of plants, bulbs or whatever are wrong named, and I know because I get a lot of these "new" alliums year after year, Stil there are sometimes alliums that are not the species I had bought, but also not something I know from my own collection.
One of these is allium bodeanum. The one I grow is a kind of cristopii, but not like the one that is normaly in trade, so as long as I don't know the real name I grow it under the name I bought it: bodeanum.

photo 1   allium cristopii
photo 2   allium elburzense
photo 3   allium bodeanum
photo 4   allium pseudobodeanum
photo 5   allium ellisii

[Menai]

Thia was grown from Kurt Vickery seed labelled A. polyphyllum. This is apparently a synonym for A. carolinianum, but this doesn't look anything like Mark's picture on PBS.
It is not rhizomatous and the leaves are 30-36mm long and 4-5mm wide.
I would be grateful for an opinion.

Erle in Anglesey

[ashley]

Allium falcifolium
A. tolmiei var. platyphyllum
A. pallasii
Allium sp., Kop Pass, E Turkey   Any suggestions what this might be?

[olegKon]

Very nice alliums, Ashley
1. Allium bodeanum
2. Allium shelkovnikovii
3-5. Allium iliensis naturiensis

[David Nicholson]

From the garden today:

Allium uniflorum.
A quite scruffy A. karataviensis with an even scruffier white form

[fermi de Sousa]

Start of the Alliums here with the tiny Allium chamaemoly
cheers
fermi