Narcissus Février/February 2016

[annew]

Looks like heaven, Rafa!

[annew]

At last a full pot of Trumpet Voluntary - a love-it-or-hate-it flower! And the delightful (and often misnamed) Mitzi.

[annew]

I had a long discussion today with someone who was adamant that if you crossed two species to make a hybrid, then you should not give the hybrid a name unless you are prepared to name the specific clones of the species that you used as parents. Also that if you did not do this, then the resultant hybrid should only have as a name the botanical taxon name eg x susannae, and not given a clonal name.
My thinking was that if we go around having to give a clonal name to every species flower I use as a parent, I would be here till doomsday thinking of names! Also, if we lump together all the seedlings from a particular hybrid taxon, we lose any distinct cultivation advantages one clone may have over another...Although we were discussing the Fringella group which is a grex so maybe I just got confused.

[YT]

I LOVE ‘Trumpet Voluntary’ of course!  And ‘Mitzi’ is lovey, too.

I had a long discussion today with someone who was adamant that if you crossed two species to make a hybrid, then you should not give the hybrid a name unless you are prepared to name the specific clones of the species that you used as parents. Also that if you did not do this, then the resultant hybrid should only have as a name  eg x susannae, and not given a clonal name.

I think you wasted your time for the adamant person, Anne. I've learned horticulture but never heard such strange rule before.

[Cfred72]

Here viridiflorus Narcissus flower.
The flower stalk bears three flowers. 

[Cfred72]

I will do self-pollination, but I will file its pollen on Narcissus tazetta 'Hoopoe' and Narcissus pseudonarcissus ssp wild form of my woods to see if it can hybridize.
The first flower of Narcissus pseudonarcissus year just opened my home. It is a new bed of bulbs that I planted last fall under the lime tree.

Narcissus Tazetta 'Hoopoe"

Narcissus pseudonarcissus

New bed of bulbs

[fermi de Sousa]

Fred,
I think you already have a hybrid, or at least a form with wider petals than usual. It would be interesting to see the results of the self-pollination.
I'd save some pollen to use on any jonquilla types as well.
Good luck, but you already have the start of something special,
cheers
fermi

[Cfred72]

Indeed, I buy as the number 2 as a selection of Narcissus viridiflorus.
I also have another selection, form number 5. Its corolla is tinged with green and orange over the edge.
I do not have any photos unless the seed capsule.

[Rafa]

but these beautiful plants are even not selection, they are hybrids that have received the pollen of N. viridiflorus, and then they put this name Narcissus viridiflorus number 2.. 3.. 4.., A selection would be a dinstinctive plant  from a particular species that have any valuable character for ornamenthal purposes. In my oppinion these wrongly named hybrids are F2,3,4,5.... (who knows) X narcissus viridiflorus as parent, otherwise the phenology of the plant should be to bloom in autumn (in normal conditions)

[johnralphcarpenter]

Narcissus hispanicus and Narcissus confusus Clone 2, both from Anne Wright.

[annew]

It is still very nice, whatever it is, Fred, and worth a try to cross with something.

[Cfred72]

Its smell is really beautiful. in terms of the type species, I have time. I will find the seed one day. 

[Rafa]

sorry if I dissapoint anyone, but hispanicus and confusus are the same species.

[Cfred72]

  It's not disappointment. It's good to have someone who can restore order. Thank you 

[johnralphcarpenter]

sorry if I dissapoint anyone, but hispanicus and confusus are the same species.

I dare not question your expertise, but PBS Wiki says N. confusus is N. pseudonarcissus