Cypripediums 2016

[Gabriela]

It's nice to see Cyps in flower. I looked in the woods the other day for C. parviflorum and couldn't see the leaves yet.

Cypripedium formosanum and Cypripedium plectrochilon in flower.

Wim, it strike me how similar C. plectrochilon is in regards with the C. arietinum, so I took a moment of procrastination to check it out. It seems that the accepted name is
C. plectrochilum nowadays. Not surprinsingly that C. arietinum (Franch.) was given as an synonim at some point.

[WimB]

Wim, it strike me how similar C. plectrochilon is in regards with the C. arietinum, so I took a moment of procrastination to check it out. It seems that the accepted name is
C. plectrochilum nowadays. Not surprinsingly that C. arietinum (Franch.) was given as an synonim at some point.

They are the same now? I thought C. arietinum was an American species and C. plectrochilon an Asian species. I wouldn't call them the same, there's no overlap of populations whatsoever and even though they are very similar there are some differences.

[SteveC2]

Still two totally separate species according to the Kew Species List.

[ian mcdonald]

I have received two C. calceolus today. They look to be vigorous plants.

[Gabriela]

They are the same now? I thought C. arietinum was an American species and C. plectrochilon an Asian species. I wouldn't call them the same, there's no overlap of populations whatsoever and even though they are very similar there are some differences.

Of course they are not the same. I only said they are very look-alike. In the all too confusing FOC they still place C. arietinum Franch. (not valid anymore) as a syn. to C. plectrochilum. Cypripedium arietinum R.Br. - the valid name. All these little details....

I just thought you may want to know about the name of your beautifully grown Cyp. 
http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Orchidaceae/Cypripedium/

[WimB]

Of course they are not the same. I only said they are very look-alike. In the all too confusing FOC they still place C. arietinum Franch. (not valid anymore) as a syn. to C. plectrochilum. Cypripedium arietinum R.Br. - the valid name. All these little details....

I just thought you may want to know about the name of your beautifully grown Cyp. 
http://www.theplantlist.org/1.1/browse/A/Orchidaceae/Cypripedium/

In the FOC it says Cypripedium arietinum Franchet (1885), not R. Brown (1813). The american species C. arietinum was described by the Scottish botanist Robert Brown from a herbarium piece in Kew. It seems the French botanist Adrien Franchet did describe a Cypripedium arietinum in Asia too, which is the same as C. plectrochilon??

The Plantlist does not mention a Cypripedium arietinum described by Franceht though....It is interesting to read, of course, Gabriela. Thanks for the info.

[Gabriela]

In the FOC it says Cypripedium arietinum Franchet (1885), not R. Brown (1813). The american species C. arietinum was described by the Scottish botanist Robert Brown from a herbarium piece in Kew. It seems the French botanist Adrien Franchet did describe a Cypripedium arietinum in Asia too, which is the same as C. plectrochilon??

The Plantlist does not mention a Cypripedium arietinum described by Franceht though....It is interesting to read, of course, Gabriela. Thanks for the info.

Precisely my point; that's why I said it's confusing (FOC). There is no record of C. arietinum Franch.
Franchet worked his whole life at the National Museum of Natural History in Paris identifying  plant species that were sent by the French missionaries from China. Luckily there are good records, and anyone can see them on-line.

He named Cypripedium plectrochilum in 1885 from a specimen sent by J. Marie Delavay.
https://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00329109?listIndex=27&listCount=1348

And all this started by a little Cyp 

[SteveC2]

Have to ask, is FOC Flora of China? 

[Steve Garvie]

Have to ask, is FOC Flora of China?

Yes.
Though in Fife it may also roughly translate as "drat"!   

[SteveC2]

Thanks Steve, though I have no idea what you mean about your Fifian translation.   
I had never come across FOC though at a quick glance it looks interesting.

[Gabriela]

Thanks Steve, though I have no idea what you mean about your Fifian translation.   
I had never come across FOC though at a quick glance it looks interesting.

You can find useful info, depends very much on the genera. ID-ing something with their keys is not very easy and in any case it's best to double-check with other sources.
 Frustration is a very common feeling after using the FOC

[ian mcdonald]

Do you have to buy the book or is it Free Of Charge.

[WimB]

...Frustration is a very common feeling after using the FOC

It is, isn't it...glad I'm not alone with that feeling.

Do you have to buy the book or is it Free Of Charge.

LOL, the FOC FOC is here: http://www.efloras.org/flora_page.aspx?flora_id=2

[Steve Garvie]

A couple of wee Cyps in flower here:

Cypripedium plectrochilum





Cypripedium segawai

[Steve Garvie]

Cypripedium formosanum



Cypripedium japonicum