pulsatilla : grandis/ vulgaris/ patens

[Catwheazle]

Hi, can someone simply ! explain to me, what the difference is between P. Vulgaris, grandis and patens? I read lot of papers, but couldn't understand.
Regards
Bernd

[Catwheazle]

as seen in "Schmeil Fitschen: Flora von Deutschland" : vulgaris and vulgaris ssp. grandis .... probably the same.
BUT :-( patens shoud be different with te leaves ??
Does someone have Pictures of the leaves?

Remark: i found a very helpful Picture by Olga Bondarewa with Pulsatilla leaves:
1 Pulsatilla flavescens from Irkutsk
2 P. campanella
3 P. tatewakii
4 P. vulgaris
5 P. nuttaliana
6 P. georgica
7 P. patens
8 P. taraoi
9 P. chinensis
10 P. halleri. 'Budapest'
11 P. pratensis ssp. nigricans
12 P. dahurica
13 P. flavescens
14 P. cernua
15 P. ambigua
16 P. albana
17 Pulsatilla sp. ambigua group
18 P. subslavica
19 Pulsatilla sp. pratensis group
20 P. multifida

I have written Olga and asked her if I can post their photos here.

Bernd

[Maggi Young]

See here :  http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13047.msg338350#msg338350

and here:

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13047.msg333794#msg333794

[Catwheazle]

Shame on me ..... so I very badly wanted :-(

[Karaba]

I don't have any of these species except vulgaris but here's what I found

You may find some great pictures and descriptions here :
Pulsatilla grandis : http://botany.cz/en/pulsatilla-grandis/
Pulsatilla patens multifida : http://botany.cz/en/pulsatilla-patens-multifida/
Pulsatilla pratensis : http://botany.cz/en/pulsatilla-pratensis/

Pulsatilla grandis is sometimes refered as Pulsatilla vulgaris ssp. grandis or even Pulsatilla halleri ssp. grandis. From here, P. grandis as less dissected leaves than P. vulgaris (<40 lobes for the former, >100 for vulgaris), also, leaves of P. grandis appear after blooming while appearing with flower for P. vulgaris. Both are closed to P. pratensis. In France, there are three other closed species : P. halleri, montana and rubra.

[Maggi Young]

I forgot to mention that Gabriel  B has good photo of  P. patens foliage here : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=13047.msg337650#msg337650

[Tristan_He]

Maggi is it possible to post a larger version of Olga's very useful photo so the details are clearer?

[Maggi Young]

I think we did ask Olga for that a while ago and I will ask again - but remember that forum file size restrictions come into play. Try  enlarging the existing image by holding down "ctrl" and scrolling the mouse button forwards - that gives reasonable idea  of shapes and if you marry that with descriptions re hairs etc it should help.
From Olga Bondareva :

Pulsatilla leaves
Pulsatilla leaves:
1 Pulsatilla flavescens from Irkutsk
2 P. campanella
3 P. tatewakii
4 P. vulgaris
5 P. nuttaliana
6 P. georgica
7 P. patens
8 P. taraoi
9 P. chinensis
10 P. halleri. 'Budapest'
11 P. pratensis ssp. nigricans
12 P. dahurica
13 P. flavescens
14 P. cernua
15 P. ambigua
16 P. albana
17 Pulsatilla sp. ambigua group
18 P. subslavica
19 Pulsatilla sp. pratensis group
20 P. multifida


 

[Olga Bondareva]

Better size.

[Olga Bondareva]

Hmmm... not better. 
OK, here is the bigger image.
https://pp.vk.me/c625120/v625120879/37f62/osvZdFqacG8.jpg

[Diane Clement]

OK, here is the bigger image. 

That's really useful, thanks Olga

[Tristan_He]

OK, here is the bigger image.

Much better! Thanks!