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Author Topic: Fusing Japanese Rock garden aesthetics& European Rock garden principlesThoughts?  (Read 1465 times)

Megan C.

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I have a survey whose research is important for my second year specialist project research, into the viability of a culturally fused rock garden and which features to include. What do you (SRGC) think as potencial users of this idea?

The survey is anonymous and will be used research only and your thoughts would be very much appreciated.  :) It takes 5-10 minutes to complete.

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/5FJ9V88

Thank you for the help!

Graeme

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done thanks
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I've done it too.  Hope we're some help!
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Ditto.
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ian mcdonald

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Could you define "culturally fused rock garden." It sounds like science fiction.

Megan C.

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A really good response so far, thank you very much! Culturally fused - there are lots of things that each tradition could incorporate in one another. In Europe most rock gardens were started to display plants and grow them well - the original rock garden at Edinburgh contained bricks and plants grouped by families. It was a collection and not necessary pleasing to view. It was critiqued by Reginald Farrer whom had traveled to Japan and was influenced by Japanese philosophy. The Japanese style has stylistic views of nature (Tea/ Stroll gardens) and a lot of symbolism of natural scenes (Stroll and Karensansui, the dry gardens) . Other British styles have large stonework like Chatsworth and Pulmanite designs which have too much rock work to be realistic in being natural. A packed alpine rock garden having lots of flowers may be to visually overstimulating to be natural. But how about having well placed rocks, symbolism of natural scenes and flowering plants at a realistic proportion? Sounds familiarly like Farrer's ideas. Another example would be water, all Japanese gardens are meant to contain water either actual or symbolic. It adds a multi -sensory aspect to the place , it makes for a cleaner fresher atmosphere and makes a scene more realist. It's a really good design principle that could be used in all rock gardens. I am also thinking about the different uses. It's kind of an argument over whether a garden is for plants, scenes or both? I hope that helps, perhaps!

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Hello Megan, like Reginald Farrer I also come from Yorkshire. Plain speaking is better understood in this region. I now understand, I think, your reason for your project. Many people who grow alpines, among other plants, only have a small garden and a water feature, whether a cascade, stream, pond or bog, is still on the wish list. I have a variety of tiny habitats in my own garden. These have been created to try to re-produce the habitat of the plants needs. Having photographed plants in the wild in the UK for more than 40 years, I also like to try growing some of them myself providing I can find a supplier who also likes native plants. Many growers consider our own plants to be either boring or not commercially viable. The Japanese gardens I have seen on TV seem to be either moss orientated or stones, both with trees or rocks. I have not seen a Japanese garden dedicated to alpine plants. There are many alpine plants in the upland areas of the Japanese Islands but perhaps they are not in fashion. Some early rock gardens took on the appearance of a currant bun, with rocks sitting on the surface of an earth dome. I suppose the purpose of a garden evolves into what the owner wants. The size of the plot and the imagination of the gardener, coupled with essentials such as a play area for children and somewhere to hang the washing. The style of garden often changes through time, whether influenced by TV gardening shows, visits to gardens or the obsession with a particular species. My personal view is that a garden is for growing plants in a setting which suits the plants but that is not so easy to achieve, unless you have a garden the size of Monty Dons. To me, a garden with a neat lawn and straight flower beds would be a waste of space but then I have spent many years looking for wild flowers in the rough terrain and uncultured countryside. By creating a dry stone wall a small space can be used to grow a range of alpines, providing there is an earth bank behind the wall for plants to root in to. Whether a cross-culture approach to gardening is feasible I don,t know. Perhaps using a Japanese/other culture idea to grow our own native plants could be considered? After all, rocks, trees, moss, and pebbles all occur in the UK. There are quite a few miniature woods on the north west coast containing small trees, rocks and moss. I think our limit is the size of garden and the size of our imagination?

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Had a go at the survey Megan but it's a bit difficult to visualise because I'm not sure what such a fusion would look like. Also I am really not into symbolism but obviously this is a personal perspective. I also think the use of water in many gardens is quite poor, and the corresponding palette of plants stunted.

I do think moss in particular is under-utilised and underappreciated in British gardens. In particular I've never got the obsession with removing it from lawns. I also think there is mileage in combining mosses and plants that prefer shady conditions such as Ramonda, bulbs, small trees and ferns and mossy stones together as a sort of elfin woodland garden (for a natural example along the lines of what Ian was talking about, see Wistman's Wood).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wistman's_Wood

Best, Tristan

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A small scale woodland containing stunted trees, rocks and moss would be a pleasing habitat. Something like the Japanese garden with mosses and lichens hanging from branches and rocks. In the UK it would probably only work in the west, where there is a higher rainfall.

 


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