Erythronium 2008

[ChrisB]

I want to come visit them Ian.... wish you lived a little closer.  They look stunning!  You must be very pleased.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Here's an example of E. sibiricum that has flowered before it surfaced... 
This picture is a few days old - now the stem has elongated and it even looks as if it's setting seed... 
did an earthworm do the polinating  

[Diane Whitehead]

Maybe there is a hollow space under those rocks - an underworld.

[Paul T]

Luc,

Congratulations on the seedpod.  While it is disappointing that you didn't get to enjoy the flower.... at least if it never opened above ground you can be certain it is self pollinated, which is a good thing as you know the seedlings will be pure sibiricum.  Given I don't think that is at all a common species (in fact I'd never even come across it until reading about it here on the forums) it's good that you have seed as you can grow yourself some more pure plants from it.  Great stuff!! 

[Susan Band]

Here is a nice hybrid that I found amonst my revolutums
Susan

[Susan Band]

Erythronium howellii unless anyone tells me different
Susan

[Ian Y]

That is a good revoultum hybrid Susan especially if it will increase quickly - the pale anthers make me suspect E californicum could be invloved.
I have been finding more hybrids among my seedlings as well and will show them in this weeks bulb log.

Your E. howellii looks right, it is very close to E citrinum and the only way to tell them apart is that howellii does not have the swollen apendages at the base of the tepals and citrinum does.

[Susan Band]

Thanks Ian, I only have 1 bulb of the hybrid so far, time will tell if it will bulk up.
I will look at what I have as citrinum and see if there is a difference.

[Les Brown]

I was discussing with Ian on the Harrogate Show thread
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=1705.60
about my E origonum's parentage & whether it was "born over the brush".
So here is a couple of close up photo's of it's bits & also E californicum from seed.
The only other Erythronium i've got out at the moment is E x citronella so here's a close up for comparison.
Cheers
Les

[Ian Y]

Les
It would be good to have Ed Alverson's opinion on your E. oregonum in your first two pictures as he is the expert in the field - I still believe it to be a hybrid.
Ed are you there?
Another factor is I have never found a true form of E oregonum that would increase and form a clump at any speed.

Les, another guitarist - we should have get together - having played in many bands I always fancied forming the 'Scottish Rockers' from our talented Members.

[Paul T]

I've always thought that "Offya Rockers" is a good name for a band.  Particularly suitable if I was a member!!

[Les Brown]

Ian, i'm more folky than rocker, (i play a melodeon as well).  There again I could plobably manage 'Take it easy'.
Cheers
Les

[Maggi Young]

I'm more folky than rocker, (I play a melodeon as well).  There again I could plobably manage 'Take it easy'.
Cheers
Les

Well, we are old folky types, too, in fact... but since this fabulous band would owe its inception to the SRGC, it really has to have "Rockers" in the name!!  

I think, like the SRGC itself, the band would play a wide range of styles.....I think Paul's suggestion of Offya Rockers is fantastic 
Paul, do you play an instrument? No? Well, in that case, you can be the drummer

[Ed Alverson]

Ed are you there?

Yep, I'm here...Yes, Les' Erythronium oregonum looks good.  The only thing I would suggest checking is the width of the filaments.  The look flattened in the photo, but they should measure at least 1.5 mm wide.  Otherwise, the combination of yellow anthers and long stigma lobes means that it can't be E. californicum, citrinum, or multiscapoideum.  These plants look to be ssp. oregonum, having yellow anthers and white (not creamy) tepals, assuming the photo is capturing the true color.

I especially like the upward-facing shot - it reminds me of the field of poppies on the way to OZ, except they are Erythronium not Papaver...

Ed

[Ian Y]

Thanks for your view Ed I am happy for it to be E oregonum and I agree that it does come close to the description.
I still believe that we are looking at a possible hybrid of E. oregonum and it wold be interesting if Les can tell us if this plant was seed raised and if the seed was of wild or cultivated origin.

I have found a number of E. oregonum hybrids among my own seed and while they do retain much of the features of oregonum they do tend to have narrower and more parallel filaments.

Here are two pictures first of E. oregonum and second of an E. oregonum hybrid which I think looks more like Les's plant.