Narcissus March 2008

[DaveM]

But are these differences, illustrated from only a couple of examples from each population, really significant enough to give them subsp or varietal names? The splitter would undoubtedly agree, but the lumper would not........

[Maggi Young]

Quite so, David: I believe that these plants, while displaying some differences, are most likely simple variations on a theme.... beautiful though, aren't they, and interesting to see how they do vary ?
 After all, we are comparing them, for that pleasure, are we not,  not seeking to write a taxonomic paper... at least, I'M not!

[annew]

I'm looking forward to seeing more pictures from the wild too. Meanwhile, here are some out now in Yorkshire. First 'Coo', and 'Mitimoto, a bicolour. Then 'Little Spell', at about 20cm high, and 'Pequenita' at 12cm.

[annew]

Lastly two from my stable!
Narcissus cyclamineus x watieri at 6cm, and supposedly watieri x cyclamineus at 10cm. If this is truly that cross, where did it get its twin flowering from? I like it but the florets are crammed together a bit on the stem, so that not all the petals can reflex.

[derekb]

 The first time I have flowered this one I like it, its about 10 cm.

  Narcissus bulbocodium RRW 88-32
 

[David Nicholson]

Gorgeous Ann, I think my favourites are mitimoto and pequenita, but then again your cyclamineus x watieri is a stormer.

[David Nicholson]

I like it too Derek, very pretty.

[Armin]

Has anybody for me a ID for this plants :

They comes from the Vosges Mts. in France ( around 1000 m altitude )
I think it is a N. pseudonarcissus -but which ssp. ?

On this places flowers 1000's in April + May - unbelievable !
Maybe I will find time .....

Hans,
for me yours look like Narcissus pseudonarcissus ssp. Lobularis.

[Hans J]

Armin ,

Do you think that ssp. lobularis is synonym with platylobus ?
I can not found good informations ....

[Armin]

Hans,
the Narcissus taxonomy is still a mystery for me.
I really don't know. Here is an elder photo ssp. lobularis.

Gerd, do you have a any thoughts?

[Hans J]

the Narcissus taxonomy is still a mystery for me.

Armin ,

for me the same !
I have the book from Blanchard and from Bannert -but there in both not good descriptions - no precise locations ....
I have not any firstdescriptions of this two species .....

My hope is also Gerd - maybe ....

[Maggi Young]

Derek, happy to "fix" your double post! Is  "RRW" the Wallises?


Anne, lovely babies.... like your own the best, of course! 
The twin head is a puzzle.... who knows what mysteries are at work.  As the flower ages, might it/they expand enough to reflex more fully, do you think?

[Gerdk]

Only an afternoon away from home and now I found this pseudonarnissus subspecies-discussion
I am with Maggi and Dave - I am convinced that a lot of  subspecies (and species) of the section Pseudonarcissus were named because of small differences in local populations (and  in need of a taxonomic revision).
Also it might be possible that some northern daffodil populations (Eiffel, in Belgium, Vosges, in GB) have originated from garden escapes. So naming the progeny will be difficile.
For me personally Narcissus pseudonarcissus for the Vosges and the Eiffel plants is sufficient.

Gerd

[Hans J]

Gerd ,

Thank you for your opinion .
I dont know from other locations - but those populations in the Vosges are never garden escapes .... you have to see it !

[Rafa]

Fantastic pictures!

These pics are from this morning. My friend and I, checking any field and any mountain from Segovia, we have discovered this little population of trumpets daffodils. I can't say which species is it. Very far from the next trumpet daff population, in a very different inhabit comparing with the others...

The field were absolutely destroy by cows, they ate all the Narcissus, extracting the bulbs indeed!!! One of the reasons could be that the farmers include Urea in cow's food (I don't know why) which it seems it makes cows go hungry, eating even the worst and difficult grasses. Very few Narcissus still alive..

Just to make it more confused this diabolic genus Narcissus, here this amazing big trumpet with 25 cm stem, corona 3'5 diameter, 3'5 corona-tube and 1cm perianthe tube with green segments.