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Hans J

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Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« on: April 04, 2008, 09:03:25 AM »
Kalimera :)

Before two years I have visit the island of Ikaria to study G. ikariae -now in this year it was able for me to make a other trip to the Kyklades Islands of Andros and Naxos .
A long time wish was for me now possibly to compere this species on there habitats and made my own minds .....

Here are now some pics :
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2008, 09:06:21 AM »
This plants grows often near little rivers , in wet and shady conditions - often under plantanus ,mostly on schist
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 09:08:24 AM »
They grow together with Cyclamen ,Fern ,Ranunculus,Viola,Scilla, Corydalis
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 09:11:16 AM »
I found it from 600 - 850 altitude -the local people told me that in this areas is often fog ( also in summer )
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 09:14:21 AM »
Habitat pics from 1 -4 are from Andros , 5 is from Naxos

On Andros is mostly schist - on Naxos more or less limestone ( marble )

the biggest leaves I have seen has a broad of 3 cm and a length of 40 cm

I'm now interestet to hear what other snowdrop fans thinks now

Enjoy
Hans ;)
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 11:11:28 AM »
Wow Hans.  How cool to see them in the wild.  Fascinating to see what they're growing with.  I theoretically have snogerupii (just love the name!  ;D) and it is definitely distinct in appearance to what I have as ikariae.

Really good to see habitat pics like these.  Not sure what I was expecting to see for Galanthus habitats but these weren't it.  ::)  Thanks for the pictures.  :D
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 12:06:00 PM »
How nice to be able to visit these places and see them in the wild. Thanks for posting them Hans. 8) Is it due to their dark habitat that they have such huge leaves?
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 12:48:25 PM »
Quote from: tyerman on April 04, 2008, 11:11:28 AM
Wow Hans.  How cool to see them in the wild.  Fascinating to see what they're growing with.  I theoretically have snogerupii (just love the name!  ;D) and it is definitely distinct in appearance to what I have as ikariae.

Really good to see habitat pics like these.  Not sure what I was expecting to see for Galanthus habitats but these weren't it.  ::)  Thanks for the pictures.  :D

Hi Paul ,

I know that you would like this pics !!!
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 12:51:55 PM »
Quote from: adarby on April 04, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
How nice to be able to visit these places and see them in the wild. Thanks for posting them Hans. 8) Is it due to their dark habitat that they have such huge leaves?

Anthony,

I believe the big leave has nothing to do with the ligth - I found it also in other populations .
My idea is that this leaves comes if the plants have fat soil ....if the ground was drier and more stony the plants was smaller
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 01:06:23 PM »
So out of interest, what are your observations as to the differences between these ssp snogerupii and the straight species?  I've heard tell that some don't want the differentiation to continue, and I think I recall that some people regard woronowii and ikariae as the same thing?  What we have in this country under these two names could NEVER be mistaken, they're totally different in flower size and characteristics etc, just the "same green leaves".  Have you also seen the wild species ikariae?
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 01:31:08 PM »
Paul ,

As I have written I have visit before two years the island of Ikaria -I have found there several populations
( from 300 m - 700 m ) - for me look the plants from Ikaria really different in color of the leaves - they are always dark .
The habitats are similar -mostly near little rivers ,mostly on schist .
I agree with G.Kamari that the plants from Andros and Naxos are a different subspecies !
After my observations I saw always uniform populations -the plants from Andros and Naxos are always "applegreen" in color of the leaves - I dont know if the DNA is big different -but I suppose more or less not....

To woronowii : I really dont understand why people mix it always with ikariae ....it is really a big difference !
The location is really different ( I have seen G. woronowii in mts. near the black sea )
But there is a really simply method to see the difference between the species of G.ikariae and woronowii :
take a leaf and cut it - on the ikariae leaves you will see cells ( big enough to see it with the eye ) -woronowii has this sign not !
.....it is still the same with G. caucasicus  (the old name for elwesii)  -I dont understand why so many people still use this name for elwesii....
« Last Edit: April 04, 2008, 01:33:17 PM by Hans Joschko »
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 02:30:47 PM »
I have seen snogerupii advertised for sale (as a true species), but didn't buy any. Wish I had now! :( Just done some swaps, so now have 'Anne of Gieirstein', 'Fenstead End', 'Dreycott Greentip' and 'Spindlestone Surprise'.
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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2008, 04:10:56 PM »
Dear Hans, next time I have to join you in these kind of trip! Really beautiful places to visit and take photos!  :)

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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2008, 04:15:24 PM »
Quote from: Alberto on April 04, 2008, 04:10:56 PM
Dear Hans, next time I have to join you in these kind of trip! Really beautiful places to visit and take photos!  :)

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Re: Galanthus ikariae ssp. snogerupii in habitat
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2008, 04:46:51 PM »
Knows may be anyone the names of the other plants ( Viola, Primula,Corydalis ) ?
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