Autumn flowering narcissus in the Northern Hemisphere 2018

[Gerdk]

Here they are at 9:00 PM

Thank you Yann - it seems they cannot close their tepals.

Gerd

[Yann]

Thank you Yann - it seems they cannot close their tepals.

Gerd

Yvain...not Yann  , seems like all french firstnames begin with Y and are 4 letters long

[Gerdk]

Sorry Ivain!
It seems my senior moments are increasing. 

Gerd

[Gerdk]

Anne,
for further reading (in English)

Blanchard (1990) Narcissus - A Guide to Wild daffodils

and about the difficult matter Narcissus serotinus sensu lato(in a broad sense)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/311775529_Narcissus_miniatus_Donnison-Morgan_Koopowitz_Zonneveld_sp_nov_a_new_species_of_Narcissus_Amaryllidaceae_from_southern_Spain

please note: Narcissus miniatus is now generally accepted as N. obsoletus

Gerd

[Karaba]

Yvain  (with a Y  ) is not a common forname, it's come from a TV series in the 60's "Thierry la Fronde" where there was Yvain, a knight. Yvain is the knight with the Lion, a novel wrote by Chrétien de Troyes around 1176.
Since I'm a kid, I'm used to hear of Yvan, Ivan, Sylvain and all other thing which sound a bit the same 

[Karaba]

please note: Narcissus miniatus is now generally accepted as N. obsoletus

I think that Rafa is now naming this one as Narcissus deficiens (see http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15755.msg382522#msg382522)

[Gerdk]

I think that Rafa is now naming this one as Narcissus deficiens (see http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15755.msg382522#msg382522)

Yes, I know this. But after I noticed that even some Spanish botanists followed the naming as shown in the link below I tend to use obsoletus (after I preferred miniatus for a long time).
It is a pity that after the discovery of the fact that the long known species Narcissus serotinus contains of two species such a naming confusion arose.

Gerd

https://www.rhs.org.uk/plants/pdfs/plant-registration-forms/daffalpha.pdf

obsoletus (Haworth) Steudel, Nomencl. Bot., ed. 2, 2: 182 (1841) (Narcissus) Section Serotini

deficiens Herbert, in Edwards's Bot. Reg. 33: t. 22 (1847) (Narcissus) = N. obsoletus

miniatus Donnison-Morgan, Koopowitz & Zonneveld, in Daffodils with Snowdrops & Tulips 2005-2006: 19 (Narcissus) = N. obsoletus

[Gerdk]

This is Narcissus obsoletus from Sardina -
with thanks to Dirk!

Gerd

[Gerdk]

These are some Narcissus hybrids of different parentage but of similar appearence

1. +  2.  Narcissus x alentejanus (cavanillesii x serotinus s. str.)
3.         Narcissus x perezlarae from Sevilla (cavanillesii x obsoletus)
4. + 5.  Narcissus x perezlarae from Eastern Spain (Valencia) - said to be fertile and described
            by Fernandez Casas as Narcissus piifontianus - with special thanks to Rafa

Gerd

[ashley]

Lovely to see.  You grow these very well Gerd.

[Maggi Young]

Lovely to see.  You grow these very well Gerd.

You took the words from my mouth, Ashley!   Gerd is  a real master of these beauties.

[Yann]

Narcissus x alleniae, on the right a gift from Gerd  , on the left a split i got from a spanish friend

[Gerdk]

You took the words from my mouth, Ashley!   Gerd is  a real master of these beauties.

Oh, Oh - too much honour!     Nevertheless, thank you

Gerd

[annew]

Thank you Gerd. I must try harder with my Spanish! (I mean, thank you for identifying my welcome intruder). You are certainly a master!

[Gerdk]

I think that Rafa is now naming this one as Narcissus deficiens (see http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=15755.msg382522#msg382522)

Found today in Daffnet:

Harold Koopowitz, California
October 9, 2018

Note I use N. obsoletus as the correct name for N. elegans. Our paper on the name change was accepted and published in Phytotaxa.


Confusion perfect! I guess it is better now to add  author names to the species name in order to prevent mistakes.

Gerd