Autumn flowering narcissus in the Northern Hemisphere 2018

[Yann]

Narcissus cavanillesii, from Oron's seeds
and a new pot of x alleniae

[Gerdk]

Narcissus x alleniae in different colours -
from nearly white to yellowish and greenish

Gerd

[Maggi Young]

Spectacular display - it may help that Hans Achilles lives in the Balearic Islands!

Hans A. :
"Narcissus x alleniae flowering in the garden today "

[Gerdk]

Just perfect ! Many thanks to Hans!

Gerc

[Maggi Young]

I'm almost ashamed to show my autumn flowerers after Gerd's superb potfuls, but I need help with ID again..
I received a narcissus as N. elegans. One of the stems has 2 flowers. The leaves are wider than the one Gerd identified as obsoletus. The leaves are smooth when you run a finger along the back, whereas the N. obsoletus feels rough. The position of the anthers in the tube is the same in both. They smell different! The corona in the 'N. elegans' is darker and the perianth segments are mucronate.
First photos of 'obsoletus'

There has been much discussion of the ID of such autumn flowering  narcissus of Facebook, by the Spanish enthusiasts.   There is still work to be done on these plant, clearly - but for now .....

This is an approximate translation to  a post  there by Rafa    ....

"I think I have it clear, our colleague Carles Jiménez has been looking at these documents and bibliographical references these past few days. In conclusion the thing would remain like this

- N. obsoletus (the so-called N. elegans, from Sicily, Morocco, Libya, Tunisia, Malaga ..) It would be a robust plant with pure orange crowns in the shape of a cup, two flowering leaves, fluted, glaucous
- N. elegans, (which we have been calling Narcissus sp # of Algeria, Mallorca, Malta ...) less robust with cylindrical but short and lobed crowns, orange yellow, with two fluted flowering leaves, glaucous
- N. deficiens (called N. obsoletus by Flora Ibérica and N. miniatus) It is the most abundant and international species of the entire genus occupying many Mediterranean countries. Considered of hybrid origin between N. serotinus and N. obsoletus, it is a more graceful plant with much intra inter population variability. It may or may not have a leaf in green, smooth flowering, with crowns brown / orange, orange, orange / green, with segments, and different shapes.
- N. serotinus (Formentera, Northern Morocco, Spain and Portugal) Plant tiny, graceful, uniflora, without flowering leaf, lemon yellow crown.

 I am lost, what is clear is that although the sp # of Mallorca, Algeria ... is well known, as well as the N. obsoletus, both have been in the same bag or one as a subspecies of the other, when they are clearly two different species. I put a photo, well known for those who have not seen it, already with the names"

[shelagh]

These have been in bud for a few days outside in the sun and  finally opened. N. cantabricus ssp cantabricus var foliosus.  You can see how long ago we sowed them.

[YT]

Narcissus miniatus, JJA 702.259
Turkey, Içel, E of Akdere. 185m. Open areas among Quercus coccifera scrub on limestone. R. & R. Wallis 08-122.

Hello I've just come back to the forum with this potful daffs

[ashley]

Beautifully grown Tatsuo

[Yann]

indeed, how many times a season do you feed them Tatsuo?

[Maggi Young]

I remembered about this  photo from Fernando Ureña Plaza - about which he wrote :
" At the suggestion of our friend Juan Rios Pimentel, I show you this composition of comparative images between three species of autumn flowering. Several of the characters that discriminate among them are appreciated in the photos: the number of flowers for escape, the length of the pedicels, the morphology of the perigonial tube and the tepals, as well as the color and morphology of the crown. Other differences are the absence / presence of leaves in flowering, the smell (n. Serotinus doesn't smell) and the number of chromosomes."

[Robert]

Hi Maggi,

Thank you for all of the additional information. It is very useful for a newbie like me.     

[Maggi Young]

Hi Maggi,

Thank you for all of the additional information. It is very useful for a newbie like me.     

There's a lot of discussion in this Facebook, public group 'Narcissus'  : https://www.facebook.com/groups/158509101289275/about/

[YT]

Beautifully grown Tatsuo

Thanks, Ashley

indeed, how many times a season do you feed them Tatsuo?

I usually feed them a slow release fertiliser, N-P-K=5-10-15, last for 50-60 days, 3 times during growing season.

[YT]

Narcissus viridiflorus, MS.500, Spain, Sancti Petri.
I really love its jade green flowers but pungent scent is too strong for me

[Maggi Young]

Update   from  Fernando Ureña Plaza......
"Detail of the crowns of n. Serotinus, n. Deficiens, n. Elegans and n. Obsoletus. We can observe that the morphological diversity of the crown is very big in the sevillian population of n. Deficiens, if we compare it with the other autumn species of white tepals.

* I thank Emilio Esteban-Infantes for the permission to include their photos of the algerian plants in comparative.*