Paeonia 2008

[Hans J]

Michael ,

be patient !
yellow will follow

[Olga Bondareva]

Hans
What impressing Paeonia collection! My favorite is Paeonia qiui.

I met peonies two weeks ago at Caucasus. 

Paeonia caucasica

http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_b32ece1d.jpg

Paeonia sp.

http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_07990ba1.jpg

The same spesies form with pink flowers

http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_586f1c10.jpg

[Oakwood]

I'm agree with Mike! P. tenuifolia is one of my favorite Paeonias too!!!!
But I like so much when it's in buds!!!! It's looking like little green baa-lambs!
This species is native for my country - SE part of Ukraine and Crimea. Moreover, in Crimea it's subdivided into three separate species:
Paeonia tenuifolia
P. biebersteiniana and
P. lithophila.
I've got its fully double form  - P. tenuifolia ‘Plena’ = P. tenuifolia f. laciniata, that doesn't flower yet at me, so will wait.....

[Maggi Young]

Lovely baa-lambs you have there, Dima!

Here in Aberdeen we have problems with the buds of P. tenuifolia aborting and rotting off at an early stage... any ideas why this should be, other than adverse weather conditions, which I don't think is always the case?

[Oakwood]

Maggi!

I think in your case may be better to change the clone of it? or to seed another plants?

Buds aborting may be lack of warm and hot conditions in summer when it makes the buds and flower's organs during summer embriogenesis. As a result - not well developped buds that rot later in early spring.
The ke moment for flowering for this STEPPE! species is hot and DRY! summer rest, I think.

[Maggi Young]

Dima, thank you!
 So, it is most likely the fact that our summers are too cold and wet... ...... Hmm.....I have thought that about our summers for a long time  We are hoping for new clones from seed we have, thankfully, so perhaps in a few years the story will be different

[Paul T]

Hans,

Sorry for the misspelling.... I read it as qui not qiui.  Obviously I'm going blind in my old age.  Unfortunately unless I MOVE to Europe I couldn't take you up on the offer of the seedlings, as they wouldn't let me bring them in when I came home.  I am somewhat doubting I will move to Europe, given I am doubting whether I'll even get to just VISIT there.   

Dimitri that clump of tenuifolium is stunning!!  What a wonderful display.

[Hans J]

Hans
What impressing Paeonia collection! My favorite is Paeonia qiui.

I met peonies two weeks ago at Caucasus. 

Paeonia caucasica

http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_b32ece1d.jpg

Paeonia sp.

http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_07990ba1.jpg

The same spesies form with pink flowers

http://cs1252.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/22340033/x_586f1c10.jpg

Hi Olga ,

ALways great to see peonies in the wild !
I suppose your pics are made in Akcharia or Abchasia ?
P. caucasica I know from the wild too -your other ( white flowering )is P. wittmanniana or macrophylla ...I should see a close up from flower - wait : I will post pics from both species.
From friends I have received seeds from P. wittmanniana from Georgia ...but they are difficult to grow ...

[Hans J]

I agree with Mike! P. tenuifolia is one of my favorite Paeonias too!!!!
But I like so much when it's in bud!!!! It's looking like little green baa-lambs!
This species is native for my country - SE part of Ukraine and Crimea. Moreover, in Crimea it's subdivided into three separate species:
Paeonia tenuifolia
P. biebersteiniana and
P. lithophila.
I've got its fully double form  - P. tenuifolia ‘Plena’ = P. tenuifolia f. laciniata, that doesn't flower yet at me, so will wait.....

Hi Dimitri ,

Nice to speak with the habitat of this plants !
I grow also the other subspecies : lithophila,biebersteiniana,cartalinica
Also tenuifolia flore pleno and forma rosea

In my eyes there's no big differences between these subspecies -maybe only local forms ....
I have plants from Krim and seedlings from Georgia ...

[Hans J]

....Here in Aberdeen we have problems with the buds of P. tenuifolia aborting and rotting off at an early stage... any ideas why this should be, other than adverse weather conditions, which I don't think is always the case?

Maggi :
I fear it is a problem with your weather ....you should plant it ( in fall ) on a dry and sunny place ....with a perfect drainage ( in a rockgarden) .....as the name says : lithophila = stone loving
Dimitri is real right as he say it is a Steppe plant !!!
I think in your conditions could you well grow P. anomala ( they grows from Sibiria - Finland ) -I have a problem with this plants ...here is it too hot and sunny and dry ....so I can not hold it !

[Hans J]

Hans,

.... I'm going blind in my old age....   unless I MOVE to Europe I couldn't take you up on the offer of the seedlings, as they wouldn't let me bring them in when I came home.  I am somewhat doubting I will move to Europe, given I am doubting whether I'll even get to just VISIT there.   

Paul : dont forget ...you are 39 !!!! .....I'm soon 59 
I know your problems with importing ....would you have seeds of P.tenuifolia ( or lithophila ) ?

This species of peonies are really easy to grow - I need from sowing to the first flower 4 years -thats the shortest time of all ....normaly 6-8 ....and my ludlowii needs 10 years .....

[Oakwood]

Hans, I think that's all these mentionned subspecies in real are the same and one unique species - P. tenuifolia!!! All another - only local geographical clones with more or less prominent differencies.
Although I've never seen its rose form in nature....

Maggi! May be seed-raised tenuifolias will be most prolific in your rainy climate, I hope! And from crimean Paeonias you may to try P. daurica - very wonderful Paeonia from crimean forests not from steppous conditions as P. tenuifolia likes. When my P. daurica blooms soon - I'll post its photos on this page! Moreover, it seeds very prolific too. And it will be very good to find the most sunny and drainaged place in your garden

[Hans J]

Dimitri ,

I'm glad that you agree ....
I will post soon a pic of this rosa flowering form ....but this clone is not so well flowering than my others ...
I'm interest to see your white flowering ! ....here i have always heard only rumors about this plant ....

Yes P. daurica is not so difficult - for me is this the same as caucasica !

[Olga Bondareva]

Hans
I am not good in peonies; they take too much space in garden.   But I always like to see them in the wild. P. caucasica is common to N. Caucasus. White-flowered species is more robust and very rare. Pictures are made at Russian/Abchasian border.

Dima

Gentlemen, I like P. tenuifolia to. Moreover, it was one of my first discoveries in the wild. When I was a child. And I’ve never seen pink and white-flowered plants.

I agree with your recommendations to Maggi. P. anomala seems to be more tolerate to wet and not sunny conditions. P. tenuifolia grows at steppe at sunny stony dry places.

[Paul T]

I'd never got around to looking it up but I had wondered about the relationships of lithophila.  I have seedlings coming along of that species, with rather intricate leaves.  I figured it was something in the way of fine leaves as an adult but I hadn't realised it was a ssp of tenuifolia.  Yet another something learned here this morning!!