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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #30 on: March 30, 2019, 02:53:24 PM »
This is the third year I have grown this plant and I've never been sure if it is Erythronium oregonum as I bought it or if it is actually E. californicum. A study of Ian Young's book shows clearly that pollen colour in oregonum is white (mine is yellow) and the flower on my plant does look very much like californicum. Ian help please!

David I think you need to take another look at my book - most forms of E.  oregonum have yellow pollen but there are some with creamy white pollen, they are often referred to as 'sulphur' form E. Californicum has white pollen however from what I can tell f om your pictures the shape of the filaments in the one you show looks to be a pale pollen form of E. oregonum.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2019, 02:58:57 PM »
This erythronium is a hybrid from a friends garden in Monefeith.  There is probably a bit of E Hendersonii in its parents.  She named it 'Ardovie Bliss'.  It has proved to be a bit difficult to please.  This clump has sadly gone.

E. "Ardovie Bliss" is indeed a very beautiful hybrid of E. hendersonii and as you point out it has proved challenging in some conditions we still have a slowly increasing group built up from a single bulb that I planted into a new bed last year, they are in bud just now.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2019, 07:24:08 PM »
David I think you need to take another look at my book - most forms of E.  oregonum have yellow pollen but there are some with creamy white pollen, they are often referred to as 'sulphur' form E. Californicum has white pollen however from what I can tell f om your pictures the shape of the filaments in the one you show looks to be a pale pollen form of E. oregonum.

Many thanks Ian, I'd missed that, turned over two pages at once.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #33 on: April 03, 2019, 02:34:57 PM »
The pictures following were taken yesterday which was one of those days of intermittent heavy rain showers followed by sunny spells, followed by heavy hail showers, followed by another sunny spell. The kind of day spent putting gardening tackle back into the garage and dashing back inside again so four pictures took most of the day! It was also a day,  where yet again, I tried to come to terms with the manual settings on my camera. I've done this many times before but each time I fail to remember the lessons I've tried to teach myself, maybe it's an age thing?

First picture is Erythronium 'Craigton Cream'. One of the many other things I'm trying to learn is to be less bothered by plantings which scramble together. Really I'm trying to begin to emulate Ian Young's approach that he wonderfully shows in his garden on the Bulb Log and Videos of sweeping plantings and colour inter-mixed. So 'Craigton Cream' is here together with a very nice white Primula vulgaris and Muscari macrocarpum.

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Erythronium californicum. Had it been a reasonable day I would probably have tried too to get a shot of the inner flower--maybe next time!

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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #34 on: April 03, 2019, 02:43:11 PM »
Erythronium 'Craigton Cover Girl', one of the few Erythroniums I have yet that clump up well and in an area where I hope to eventually spread more Corydalis seedlings.

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Erythronium 'Joanna' a John Amand introduction originally, a tuolumnense / revolutum cross. If we get a dry day I shall try to get a picture of this inner flower too.

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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #35 on: April 03, 2019, 03:25:04 PM »
Beautiful erythroniums, David — and lovely photos, too!
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #36 on: April 03, 2019, 03:48:23 PM »
Thanks Kelly.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #37 on: April 03, 2019, 05:53:35 PM »
Lovely Erythroniums, David, so beautiful.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #38 on: April 03, 2019, 06:41:21 PM »
Thanks Leena.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2019, 05:14:07 AM »
My brother has a plant he bought several years ago as E. helenae finally in flower.

I asked him to check for a bent style, but he says it has stamens, but no style, and no ovary.
All of the three flowers on the stem are the same.

How odd!  Has anyone else ever observed this in any erythronium?
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2019, 11:28:09 AM »
My brother has a plant he bought several years ago as E. helenae finally in flower.

I asked him to check for a bent style, but he says it has stamens, but no style, and no ovary.
All of the three flowers on the stem are the same.

How odd!  Has anyone else ever observed this in any erythronium?

I have soon occasional plants where for some reason the style does not form, usually this is due to immaturity or some damage, but I have not seen any without some form of an ovary.
Any chance of seeing some pictures?
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2019, 11:08:55 AM »
I gave these to a forum member to breed them

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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #42 on: April 08, 2019, 09:42:00 AM »
Erythronium revolutum ‘Citronella’ correct name is Erythronium 'Citronella'. Thanks Maggi.
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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #43 on: April 08, 2019, 11:36:59 AM »
Lovely, Herman - but 'Citronella' is not  a revolutum form -  Erythronium ‘Citronella’ is an old hybrid of Erythronium tuolumnense and probably Erythronium ‘White Beauty’.   

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Re: Erythronium 2019
« Reply #44 on: April 08, 2019, 07:53:05 PM »
Erythronium 'Pagoda'



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