Paeonia 2020

[Steve Garvie]

The first two to open here are both pot-grown plants kept under cold glass over the Winter.

Paeonia clusii -first time flowering from seed sown in January 2016.






Paeonia mascula -I bought this from Aberconwy as “ mascula ssp russoi Reverchonii“ but others have suggested it is not this form. Either way it is a nice plant. The flowers open darker and then mature to a paler pink colour.

[Yann]

what's the size of the container? I grow mine in 6L pots 30cm high.

mascula ssp. russoi is simply Paeonia corsica, reverchonii was given for plants colledted in Sardinia, Mt Limbardo.
Sardinian plants have very dark leaves with copper highlights, which is not the case on your photo.
Does your plant has hairiness below the leaves?

[Steve Garvie]

Hi Yann, thanks for your comments.
No my mascula has no hairs under the leaves.

The P. clusii is in a 10L pot.

[Gail]

Fantastic plants Steve - the foliage on that clusii looks so healthy. You've done well to get it to flower from a 2016 sowing.

My plant from AGS seed as P. mascula ssp russoi sown in 2013 is going to have its first flowering soon (she says, touching wood hastily!). The undersides of its leaves are amazing - feel just like cotton wool. Currently vying with obovata alba to be my first peony in flower.

[Karaba]

mascula ssp. russoi is simply Paeonia corsica, reverchonii was given for plants colledted in Sardinia, Mt Limbardo.

Simple when you follow Hong & Wang 2006, but not so simple with the lastest studies as they say that there is no P. corsica in Sardinia.
The lastest paper on this group in the western mediterranean Islands is Taxonomic discrimination of the Paeonia mascula group in the Tyrrhenian Islands by seed image analysis by Marco Sarigu, Marco Porceddu, Eric Schmitt, Ignazio Camarda & Gianluigi Bacchetta. The same technics of seeds analysis has also been used for Fritillaria in Greece.

[Yann]

I just used flora gallica and flora d'italia to compare description.
Plants form Sardinia have long hairs under leaves not the case of corsican ones

An interesting publication: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255966260_The_genus_Paeonia_L_in_Italy_Taxonomic_survey_and_revision

[Karaba]

I just used flora gallica and flora d'italia to compare description.
Plants form Sardinia have long hairs under leaves not the case of corsican ones (Attachment Link)

An interesting publication: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255966260_The_genus_Paeonia_L_in_Italy_Taxonomic_survey_and_revision

Sorry Yann, maybe I misunderstood you. It would be easier, at least for me, to speak and understand french but I think that very few other members would understand 
From you first post, I understood that it was simply P. corsica (which don't grow in Sardinia)
I also just wanted to say that "you" can not simply apply a synonymy to a paeonia coming from a nursery with an old name and without knowing from which country it comes from, specially with a Paeonia of the mascula complex from mediterranean island. There has been so many names, so many descriptions, that it can't be simple  .
About hairs under leaves, from Flora gallica, both P. corsica and P. morisii have or don't have hairs under leave, this is not a caracter to differentiate these two species.
Below, a table and a key from Camarda (2019) "Paeonia sandrae (Paeoniaceae) species nova of Sardinia and relationship with peonies of Corsica and Sicily" (because it can also be Paeonia sandrae if Steve's plant originally came from Sardinia !)

[Gail]

Paeonia obovata alba, my first of the season. It hasn't really increased since last year and I shall have to be more disciplined about removing some of the self-sown Nigella (love-in-a-mist) which are out-competing a lot of plants...

[Maggi Young]

Paeonia obovata alba, my first of the season. It hasn't really increased since last year and I shall have to be more disciplined about removing some of the self-sown Nigella (love-in-a-mist) which are out-competing a lot of plants...

Loving  your  photos, Gail, thank you. I'm astonished at you  having  this  paeony  so early - even with a  mild  season ours  are  a  long  way off!

[Gail]

It opened on 14/4 last year so a bit earlier this year - we have greater need of cheering up...

[Yann]

Sorry Yann, maybe I misunderstood you. It would be easier, at least for me, to speak and understand french but I think that very few other members would understand 
From you first post, I understood that it was simply P. corsica (which don't grow in Sardinia)
I also just wanted to say that "you" can not simply apply a synonymy to a paeonia coming from a nursery with an old name and without knowing from which country it comes from, specially with a Paeonia of the mascula complex from mediterranean island. There has been so many names, so many descriptions, that it can't be simple  .
About hairs under leaves, from Flora gallica, both P. corsica and P. morisii have or don't have hairs under leave, this is not a caracter to differentiate these two species.
Below, a table and a key from Camarda (2019) "Paeonia sandrae (Paeoniaceae) species nova of Sardinia and relationship with peonies of Corsica and Sicily" (because it can also be Paeonia sandrae if Steve's plant originally came from Sardinia !)

I can't agree more, mascula complex is full of synomyms. I've downloaded the Camarda publication and will take a look tomorrow (another species!).
Gonna ask Tim Lever if its stock was raised from Archibald seeds, which this case will be Corsica as orign. Investigations continue

[WSGR]

Nice pic, Gail!

[Yann]

Paeonia kavachensis sown 02/2015 giving its first flowers

[WSGR]

Gorgeous flower and fabulous photos!

[Gail]

The P. mascula ssp russoi opened yesterday;


as did P. tenuifolia;