Narcissus October 2021

[annew]

I am so excited to have a number of flowers on 2 pots of autumn daffodils at last. The names are a nightmare though. see what you think to these - ID attempts welcomed! First is one I received as N. elegans:

[annew]

Second is one I received as N. serotinus - last year this was thought to be N. deficiens. It came from 'Pelagia/Kreta' (i wasn't sure of the handwritten note)

[Yann]

deficiens


serotinus


elegans, flowers implementation and corona (dark orange-marron)

[annew]

I will check corona colour tomorrow - my camera may not have picked up the true colour.

[Gerdk]

Some remarks to the discussion here:
Anne, if your plant has (glaucous) leaves together with flowers it is Narcissus N. elegans (Spanish botanists still distinguish here
elegans and obsoletus depending on distribution and some other characteristics as the shape of the corona for instance).

To distinguish between Narcissus serotinus and N. deficiens (miniatus) please have a look at the attached photos.
The tube of Narcissus serotinus is narrow to its base and then becoming abruptly inflated.
The tube of N. deficiens is narrowly tapering and usually more greenish.
Unfortunately the botanical names have  changed so often that there is a lot of confusion.

[annew]

Here is the side view of the one labelled elegans

[annew]

This is the best I can do for the one labelled serotinus, without taking more photos (which I can do if needed) I can see it does not have the correct shape for that species.

[Gerdk]

I would say - Narcissus labelled elegans = elegans
and N. labelled serotinus = most probably deficiens - but in no case serotinus.


Gerd

[annew]

Thank you, Gerd.