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Alan McMurtrie

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Reticulata Iris - 2025
« on: March 22, 2025, 12:37:21 AM »
Bloom has just started here in Toronto, Canada.  One of the first new 2n=18 hybrids is 19-DC-1.  Its pollen parent was Leopard (12-IO-1).  There will be 2 more blooming for the first time from this cross this year, and a couple more next year.  Çat ANMc2175 is responsible for the orange colouring.








A light yellow 19-BG-1




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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2025, 03:20:49 PM »
A warm-yellow Reticulata Iris 19-BZ-1 blooming for the first time.  It's pollen parent is Leopard (12-IO-1).  Nice to see its ½ width standards.




A lab converted tetraploid 05-GQ-4, just starting to open.  Hope I can get it to set seed.



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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2025, 04:24:12 PM »
Interesting to see different expressions on tetraploid bulbs of 05-BL-4 delivered by the lab [Photos are from 2024, and 2022].  Unfortunately the Dutch bulb grower didn't keep track of delivery details, but then I wasn't expecting expression differences.  Aside: there are issues with whether the delivery was of "4x" bulbs, "4x 4C<8C", etc.  [The lab does 3 stability tests, but the results do vary...]

At the moment we have freezing temperature, so I have a bit of time to do a post.  Only the middle clone is in bloom currently.

Wide fall


Dark blue with lots of veins


Dark blue only a few veins (clearly the grower mixed two varieties; which is not a good sign...)



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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2025, 10:31:55 PM »
The lab converted tetraploid Reticulata Iris 05-GQ-4 has now fully opened.





A cute Reticulata Iris 19-BQ-1




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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2025, 08:05:25 AM »
Really interesting flowers, thank you for posting Alan. Looking at the almost black falls (?) on the tetraploid 05-GQ-4 made me wonder if anyone had tried wider crosses with Iris tuberosa for that real black velvet effect?
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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2025, 04:49:01 AM »
Hi Gail,

I don't expect the genetics would work.  Of course you never know...

In a sense it is amazing that you can cross Iris histrioides with Iris reticulata (i.e. 2n=16 x 2n=20) and get progeny.  Of course those children are sterile.  e.g. Harmony, George, etc. [George is William van Eeden's hybrid named for Dr. George Rodionenko, which unfortunately fell out of favour due to not being a reliable bloomer when forced in pots -- which is about 70% of the market for Reticulatas]

You might think that because Iris histrioides and Iris winogradowii are both 2n=16 that there shouldn't be any problem, but the reality is their chromosomes are different enough that their children are sterile dead ends (i.e. Katharine Hodgkin, Frank Elder, Sheila Ann Germany).  [Note: the reverse cross does Not work -- which tells you right away there's a genetic issue with those two species].

That's part of the reason why I've tried to convert some of my hybrids to tetraploid.  Ideally if Katharine Hodgkin were tetraploid then the two histrioides chromosomes could pair up, and the two winogradowii chromosomes could pair up, and thus tetraploid Katharine Hodgkin should be fertile.  There were problems in the lab converting one of my own hxw crosses.  The lab did produce a tetraploid winogradowii [hopefully is still in the Dutch bulb grower's small stocks], but lab delivered bulbs of histrioides that are "4x 4C<8C."  In other words, they are stable, but not true tetraploids.  So in all likelihood polyploid histrioides won't produce seed [3 flowers are currently opening]

I hope one day to get fertile hybrids between 2n=18 and 2n=20 Reticulata Iris, but time will tell.  It is proving to be somewhat difficult to get good seed from the lab converted plants.  And it's looking like where thought I have 3 tetraploid clones blooming for the first time, that 2 of this have aborted.  Certainly the bulbs were very large

Here's another dark coloured hybrid:  05-HN-1 (diploid)    The lab did deliver some tetraploid material to the Dutch bulb grower, but I haven't yet received any bulbs from him...






Tetraploid 19-DG-1 (currently in the process of opening for the first time)    In a sense disappointing because it looks so similar to 05-GQ-4.  Note: this hybrid has the more typical bristle for a standard.
This is a 2019 cross between lab converted:    Happiness (01-IV-1) Tetra   x   { It's Magic (05-HW-1) Tetra  &  05-GQ-1 }
One might guess that the successful pollen parent was 05-GQ-1, which is of course 05-GQ-4's sibling.
[I tend to use multiple pollen parents when I am particularly keen to get seeds]




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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2025, 12:49:11 PM »
many thanks for your interesting reply and I look forward to your wonderful hybrids being widely available!
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Re: Reticulata Iris - 2025
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2025, 03:49:21 PM »
Significant problems with working with Dutch bulb growers...

 


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