Crocus October 2008

[tonyg]

You are right about the hermoneus corm, it has finer, more  parallel fiber, connected by shorter fibers,
much less netted then cancellatus .
We have arrived here to the conclusion that it is impossible to tell apart hermoneus from cancellatus cancellatus by their flower!!!, only by checking the corm.

My ochroleucus Albus are from two plants I have collected three years ago in the Upper Galilee,
Luckily it makes many new bulblets.
A few weeks ago when i re potted them there where more then 30 new ones.

The new find is Pallasii Album from last week, but this one will take much longer to multiply since it doesn't make bulblets.

You should never tell the forum that you had 30 new corms ... ... Please can you put me on the list for a spare corm next season!?

Glad my memory is not failing me re C hermoneus - its a beautiful little crocus in flower.

Will the white pallasii breed true from seed?  My experience with white forms is not positive although sometimes the white reappears in the 2nd generation.  Good luck but it could be a long wait before we know!

[Maggi Young]

You should never tell the forum that you had 30 new corms ... ... Please can you put me on the list for a spare corm next season!?

Tee Hee! You had your wits about you there, Tony,to come out with your request... when I read Oron's words

A few weeks ago when I re-potted them there where more then 30 new ones.

...... I fainted clean away!

[Oron Peri]

Tony and Maggi,

In fact now I realize that I should not give numbers here....well I'm still new here...
 you know I grow some plants in a refrigerator, now I have to find a way how to grow them in a safe since some people have my home address ...

By the way have you noticed how similar in appearance  are Pallasii album and Dirk's C. asumaniae.

[Maggi Young]

By the way have you noticed how similar in appearance  are Pallasii album and Dirk's C. asumaniae.

( pix on the previous page to this one)

Yes, they are very similar.... it seems the pallasii has some differences in the style ? 



Dirk, may we have a photo of the inside of your C. asumaniae, please, to show the style clearly??

[tonyg]

Here are some pics to help  with the differences between the style of C asumaniae and C pallasii.

First an example of C asumaniae with a HK collection number so it should be true.  Note the style divides quite high up, more than half way up the anthers, it is also quite long, considerably exceeding the anthers.

Next a 'typical' C pallasii style (from an atypical coloured flower).  This is quite short, not exceeding the anthers and dividing at or below the base of the anthers.

BUT then we have two more which fit into C pallasii in most areas but have 'different' style characters.  Nothing is ever simple!  Perhaps time (and research) will tell us that these two species (and C mathewii) are more closely related than current taxonomy, which does make them close anyway, suggests.

[udo]

Maggi,
i will make a photo from this white form with clearly style next weekend.

[Maggi Young]

Thank you, Dirk! 

[Anthony Darby]

Gosh. Turn your back and a whole load more fantastic pics appear.

[Armin]

some flowers today:
Crocus asumaniae in pure white
    ``   boryi
    ``   laevigatus dark form
    ``   laevigatus creme form
    ``   tournefortii, very pale form
    ``   tournefortii x laevigatus? flower is closed in the night
a look in my greenhouse

Hello Dirk,
wonderful crocus you have in your collection.

When comparing "C.boryi" with the "C. tournefortii, very pale form" I can't find any significant difference in appearance, except the latter has a more orange colored style. 
What makes the difference here between the two?
If you would ask me to decide I would promptly say "C. tournefortii, very pale form" is a "C. boryi" 

I thought the distinct feature of C. tournefortii is a large flower with elongated many branch style and that the flower remaining open during night/dull day. On the picture the style looks quite short.
Could you please advise what makes you sure of "C. tournefortii, very pale form"?