Crocus October 2008

[dominique]

Mark, I think to Crocus speciosus Albus

[Oron Peri]

No1 is the most interesting as at first glance I thought it and No2 were both C cancellatus ssp cancellatus.  However the white anthers of No1 make this C cancellatus ssp pamhyllicus BUT from Syria??  Hopefully Oron will take a look at these and offer his opinion, he may have seen these in the wild.

Tony,
I agree with you that No. 2 is Cancellatus cancellatus.
I'm a bit confused about No. 1, at first look I thought of an hybrid but who are the parents... hermoneus x cancellatus?, but both don't have yellow throat.

B.M describes cancellathus pamphyllicus as having white anthers but he says that the color of the flower is 'usually' white with yellow throat. [ there are two flowers at the front left side that look like this description]

The central flower in the photo  is much more colorfull, and also I don't think I ever seen mentioned that it grow in Syria.
Maybe it is some intermediate form or hybrid of the two ssp....?
Cant say really....

[tonyg]

Thanks Oron.  I have 3 different forms of what I suppose is C cancellatus ssp pamphylicus with white anthers.  All have lilac flowers in varying shades.  None have the finely veined flower that seems so typical of C cancellatus (and C hermoneus) in your region.  The plants we are looking at now are very beautiful, whatever they are.  If truly from Syria we may be looking at something new

Mark - finally located the pic you refer to.  Dom is right, its C speciosus!

[art600]

Could someone please identify this Crocus. The flower was removed from the plant by a cutworm    I am intrigued by the white stigma

[art600]

Some Crocus from the bulb house and garden

1.  The litlle and large of Crocus kotschyanus
2.  Crocus goulimyi
3.  Crocus niveus
4.  Crocus boryi
5.  Identity please

[Ian Y]

Some nameless Crocus. Who can help me?

Dominique, the flower of your first unknown crocus looks very like the Crocus  speciosus ssp. xantholaimos x pulchellus that I show in this weeks bulb log - although I am not sure that they would meet in Syria.

[Kenneth K]

Crocus tournefortii (?) again. I attach a picture that better shows the color as it looks for the eye. I got so curious that I choose to spend the night at the country house. No doubt about it. The flower remained open through the night. So my conclusion is that it is a white C tournefortii and not C boryi. I have the latter as well but it is not flowering.

[Gerry Webster]

Art - your no. 5 looks like one of the saffron group. C. hadriaticus?

[Maggi Young]

Another pic from Jim Kee in Delaware, USA  who writes...........
This is Crocus goulimyi as you probably already know. There are a few different shades of flowers but the lighter ones in this group come up first. Don't know why this is. This clump brings back great memories for me of being at Alan Edwards house in England with David Stephens and Peter Bird (the man who collected these) hearing great stories of their travels. Peter had brought them along and gave them to me. By the time I left GB my pockets were full of all sorts of goodies. Great times. Thank you.
Jim

[biodiversite]

Crocus serotinus subsp. clusii cv ‘Poseidon’

This is a very vigorous cultivar; one corm obtained last year has produced six flowering-size corms this year.

I bought some years ago to Paul Christian C clusii and C. clusii 'Poseidon' but the two bulbs turn to be the same plant, so I don't know if I have the type plant or the cultivar. How could we distinct 'Poseidon' ? Please have a look to my plant at the end of this page http://plantes-passion.forumactif.fr/les-bulbes-f7/crocus-d-automne-t2514-15.htm

[Gerry Webster]

Bio - I don't know what the difference is between the 'type' & the cultivar. Your plants look somewhat paler in colour than mine but this could simply be a difference in lighting or photography.

[biodiversite]

thanks Gerry. I wonder if the coloration of the tube could help ?
I'll put new photos next week as I think all my clone would be in flower 

[tonyg]

Could someone please identify this Crocus. The flower was removed from the plant by a cutworm    I am intrigued by the white stigma

Could be C kotschyanus var leucopharynx - white style and throated version of C kotschyanus

[tonyg]

Some nameless Crocus. Who can help me?

Dominique, the flower of your first unknown crocus looks very like the Crocus  speciosus ssp. xantholaimos x pulchellus that I show in this weeks bulb log - although I am not sure that they would meet in Syria.

Well the great and the good(e) can disagree .... I don't think it is C speciosus xantholaimos x pulchellus!!  The flower/petal shape is not typical but it is VERY similar to some forms of C cancellatus.  A check of the corm tunics would confirm this.  C cancellatus has netted tunics, speciosus/pulchellus have papery ones.

[tonyg]

Some Crocus from the bulb house and garden
1.  The litlle and large of Crocus kotschyanus
2.  Crocus goulimyi
3.  Crocus niveus
4.  Crocus boryi
5.  Identity please

5 Crocus longiflorus