Narcissus January- February 2009

[David Nicholson]

Very very nice Anne and Rafa.

[Hans A.]

Wow - very beautiful plants, Anne and Rafa!

[hadacekf]

Wonderful pix everyone !! Thank you all !!

[Lars S]

Yes, very nice pictures Anne and Rafa.
Sometimes it´s a little frustrating with the swedish climate. My pots of N bulcodium nivalis and hedraeanthus are just showing some green leaf tips so far, it feels like ages until I can hope for any flowers. But, then again they seem to be alive and that´s always something I suppose
Temperatures have been steady below zero for a while now ...

[Brian Duncan]

Here two narcissus, the second one is bigger (almost double)  Its seems Narcissus x stenanthus, but not a complete hybrid, just some chromosomic gamets.

Rafa,
Is there such a thing as an 'incomplete' hybrid? Surely it either is or it is not? Do you think it is a sport, a variant or a form?
Your x stenanthus certainly looks as though it might be of mixed parentage - was it found near a source of the reputed other parent N. confusus? Is its foliage any broader or does it show any other 'pseudonarcissus' characteristics. Whatever it is, it looks mighty interesting and chromosome count and DNA reading could be most revealing.
Brian

[dominique]

Joy Bishop (thank you Anne), bulbocodium praecox and a first bloom of a 4 years sown unidentified from the nature . Rafa, can you tell me what is it ?

[Rafa]

Dom, have you got any data location of this Narcissus?. Recently many bulbocodiums like N. graellsii, N. citrinus etc have gathered in one Narcissus turgidus Salisb.

[Lesley Cox]

NO - I WON'T call my Narcissus bulb. 'Citrinus' N. turgidus. I WON'T, I WON'T.

[tonyg]

Awwww - Go on................give it a try

Turgid -
1: Latin turgidus, from turgēre to be swollen

2: excessively embellished in style or language : bombastic , pompous <turgid prose>

Take your pick but no bombastic replies please

[Martin Baxendale]

NO - I WON'T call my Narcissus bulb. 'Citrinus' N. turgidus. I WON'T, I WON'T.

As recently as September 2008 the RHS seem to still be giving N. bulbocodium citrinus as the accepted name and N. turgidus as not an accepted name.

[Gerry Webster]

NO - I WON'T call my Narcissus bulb. 'Citrinus' N. turgidus. I WON'T, I WON'T.

As recently as September 2008 the RHS seem to still be giving N. bulbocodium citrinus as the accepted name and N. turgidus as not an accepted name.

The Kew Monocot Checklist has N. turgidus as a synonym for N. bulbocodium subsp. bulbocodium. But things never remain the same for long in the wild world of hoop petticoats. All part of the fun.

[Rafa]

 

Also the following names are synonims of Narcissus turgidus, which is the oldest name, named by Richard Anthony Salisbury
 
Narcissus turgidus Salisb., Prodr.: 222, nº 10 (1796)
≡ Corbularia turgida (Salisb.) Salisb., Trans. Hort. Soc. London 1: 351 (1812)
≡ Corbularia serotina Haworth, Narciss. Monogr.: [7], n° i.9 (xi-1831), non Narcissus serotinus
Loefl. ex Linn. (1753)
≡ Corbularia Bulbocodium var. serotina Herbert, Amaryll.: 297-298, n° 74.2.2 (1837), «N.
turgidus Salisb.»
≡ Narcissus Bulbocodium subsp. Bulbocodium var. serotinus (Haworth) A. Fernandes,
Daffodil & Tulip Yearbook 1968: 55 (1968)
≡ Narcissus tardiflorus Heynh., Nomencl. bot. hort. 1: 540 (1840), nom. nov. pro
Corbularia serotina Haworth (1831)
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: nulla, «N. Bulbocodium Curt. Bot. Mag. n. 88 cum Ic.»; «Pseud. Narc.
serotinus, &c. Park. Par. 106. f. 8. N. turgidus. Salisb. Prodr. p. 222. N. Bulbocodium. Bot. Mag.
nec Linn. neque ejus Herbarii. med. Maii floret»; R. A. SALISBURY (1812: 351): «This is a
Pyrenæan mountain plant, which grows wild abundantly near Tarbes... April or May»
= Narcissus Bulbocodium var. conspicuus (Haworth) Baker ex A. Fernandes, The Daffodiland Tulip Year Book 33: 55 (1968)
≡ Narcissus Bulbocodium fma. conspicuus (Haworth) Baker, Handb. Amaryll.: 2, nº 1
(1888)
≡ Corbularia conspicua Haworth, Narciss. Monogr.: [7], n° i.8 (xi-1831); Herbert,
Amaryll.: 298, nº 74.3 (1837)
≡ Narcissus conspicuus (Haworth) D. Don in Sweet, Brit. Flow. Gard., ser. 2: tab. 326
(1830), non N. conspicuus Salisb., Prodr.: 224, nº 14 (1796) nec Philogyne conspicua
Salisb., Trans. Hort. Soc. London 1: 355/356 (1812)
≡ Corbularia Bulbocodium [(Linn.) Haworth] subsp. gallica Rouy race conspicua
(Haworth) Rouy, Fl. France 13: 27 (1912)
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: nulla, «Park. Par. 107. f. 6. Floret f. Ap.»
= Corbularia tenuifolia var. minor Herbert, Amaryll.: 298, n° 74.4.2 (1837)
≡ Corbularia Herbertii Rouy, Il. pl. Europæ rar. 14: 114, tab. 347 (1900)
[≡] Narcissus Herbertii Rouy, Il. pl. Europæ rar. 14: 114 (1900), nomen alternativum
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: nulla, «cultivated in pots in the Chelsea garden...»
= Narcissus gigas (Haworth) Steud., Nomencl. bot., ed. 2, 2: 181 (1841)
≡ Corbularia gigas Haworth, Narciss. Monogr.: [7], n° i.10 (xi-1831)
≡ Corbularia Bulbocodium var. gigas (Haworth) Herbert, Amaryll.: 298, n° 74.2.3 (1837),
invoca la misma lámina que Haworth, en comentario al final de la misma página: "There
is a very large specimen figured Theatr. flor. t. 21. which Mr. Haworth names Gigas. I
cannot rely upon the engraving, and refer it to Conspicua"
≡ Corbularia conspicua var. gigas (Haworth) Kuntze, Enum. pl. 5: 706, n° 3g (1850)
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: nulla, «Pseudo Narcissus pyrenæus flore subluteo amplo calyce
juncifolius. Theatr. flor. t. 21. Fig. inferior media»
= Narcissus Bulbocodium var. citrinus Baker in Burbidge, Florist & Pomologist 1880: 68
(1880); Baker, Handb. Amaryll.: 3, nº 2.1 (1888)
≡ Narcissus Bulbocodium subsp. citrinus (Baker in Burbidge) Fdez. Casas, Fontqueria 2:
39, nº 30; tab. 8 (1982)
[≡] Narcissus citrinus (Baker in Burbidge) Fdez. Casas, Fontqueria 6: 49, nº 62 (1984), non
Narcissus citrinus Link, Handb. 1: 202 (1829), nec Schult. f. in Schult. & Schult. f., Syst.
veg. 7(2): 968, nº 1452.59 (1830)
≡ Narcissus Lainzii Barra & G. López, Anales Jard. Bot. Madrid 50(1): 123 (1992), nom.
nov. pro N. Bulbocodium var. citrinus Baker in Burbidge (1880)
= Narcissus Graellsii Webb ex Graells, Ind. pl. nov.: 8 (1854); Mem. Acad. Cienc. Madrid
2: 471 (1859)
≡ Corbularia Graellsii (Webb ex Graells) Willk. in Willk. & Lange, Prodr. fl. hisp. 1: 150
(1873); Nyman, Consp.: 713, nº 4.3 (1882)
≡ Narcissus Bulbocodium var. Graellsii (Webb ex Graells) Baker, Handb. Amaryll.: 3, nº 1
(1888)
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: «el Escorial, Moralzarzal, Manzanares, Guadarrama, etc., ad alt.
3800-4000’»
= Stephanophorum infundibuliformis Dulac, Fl. Hautes-Pyr.: 134, nº 393 (1867)
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: Francia, (65) Hautes-Pyrénées; Ibos: 43º14'N, 000º00'W,
31TBH59; La Loustère Rivière, 43º47'N, 000º26'E, 31TBJ95; Gerde, 43º03'N, 000º10'E,
31TBH67; Campan: 43º01'N, 000º10'W, 31TBH66; «Prés: Ibos; Lalouhère (Dev.); Gerde,
Campan, Nordrest (Ph.). C.»
= Corbularia Bulbocodium [(Linn.) Haworth] subsp. gallica (Rouy) Rouy, Fl. France 13:
26 (1912)
[≡] Narcissus gallicus Rouy, Il. pl. Europæ rar. 14: 114, in obs. Corbularia gigas (1900),
nomen
= Corbularia Herbertii Rouy, Il. pl. Europæ rar. 14: 114, tab. 347 (1900)
≡ Corbularia tenuifolia var. minor Herbert, Amaryll.: 298, nº 74.4 .2 (1837)
≡ Corbularia conspicua var. minor (Herbert) M. Roemer, Fam. nat. syn. monogr. [Syn.
Ensat.] 4: 189, nº 59.5b (1847)
≡ Narcissus Herberti Rouy, Il. pl. Europæ rar. 14: 114, tab. 347 (1900), in syn. Corbularia
Herberti Rouy
INDICATIO LOCOTYPICA: nulla, «Both varieties* are cultivated at the Chelsea gardens... I
have not seen the flower»; *var. princeps & var. minor
– Narcissus Bulbocodium subsp. validus Barra, Anales Jard. Bot. Madrid 60(1): 222-223 ,
fig. 1 (2002); cave nomen!; in-”validus”, absque latinæ diagnose nec descriptione!
– Pseudonarcissus juncifolius II flavo flore Clus., Hist. p. 166, ic.
– Narcissus parvulus Léon-Dufour ad Roemer, (1815), nomen ined., cf. Léon-Dufour, Bull.
Soc. Bot. France 7: 446 (1860), nomen, non Sweet, Hort. Brit., ed. 2: 515 (1833), quod
est N. Assoanus Léon-Dufour (1830)
– Pseudo Narcissus pyrenæus flore subluteo amplo calyce juncifolius Bauhin, Pinax Theatr.
fl.: tab. 21 (1623)
– Narcissus citrinus Baker ex Salmon, Daffodil & Tulip Yearb. 1991-1992: 33, fig. 11 [pag.
38], map [pag. 36] (1991), nomen superfluum
– Narcissus citrinus [Baker ex Salmon] subsp. belinensis Salmon, Daffodil & Tulip Yearb.
1991-1992: 33, fig. 23 [sphalm.], map [pag. 36] (1991), nomen nudum
ILLUSTR.: F. J. FERNÁNDEZ CASAS (1982: 38, fig. eight), ut N. Bulbocodium subsp. citrinus.
ILLUSTR.: (photo-): J. W. BLANCHARD (1990: 36, fig. 19), ut N. Graellsii.

[tonyg]

Rafa - I had a feeling that you would have the last word ... or should that be words .. lots of them

[Brian Duncan]

Rafa,
I personally hope your N.turgidus (Salisbury 1796) name does not gain general acceptance - and if we accept the precedence rule then, thankfully, I think it is beaten by N. bulbocodium  named by Linnaeus in 1753. I should not have the temerity to dip into such botanical niceties but I like the familiarity of 'bulbocodium' and its many subsp. and variants.
Brian Duncan

[annew]

Well, I can put all my bulbocodiums in one pot then!