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Diane Clement

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #405 on: September 01, 2009, 07:56:58 AM »
Definitely a repandum, Paul, and the leaves look about right.  I'm never quite sure what the definition for ssp pelponnesiacum is though. :o   

It's the silvery leaves that make it peloponnesiacum.  The group from the Peloponnese and Rhodes were split from
C repandum a few years ago.  This silvery splashed one is now Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum. 
I know we all get fed up of name changes, but this one has held for at least five years (must be a record in recent cyclamen taxonomy changes!)
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #406 on: September 01, 2009, 08:12:55 AM »
You definitely see things on a large scale Guff !  ;D
It should look stunning in a couple of years !  8)
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #407 on: September 01, 2009, 08:57:17 AM »
@Melvyn - thanks a lot for your comments - I will keep an eye on this seedling - hope dies last... ;)  

This species seems to be quite variable - my oldest plant has hardly any marking on the more rounded and thiner leaves while others are not so round/more pointed, thicker and are much better marked.

Hello Hans A, you must be one of the few people on this forum who can grow C rohlfsianum outside.  A combination of warm summer and frost free winter experienced by few!  (I expect Oron can as well, although do you grow them in your fridge-box Oron?)
;D - there are less than 300km to Africa ;) -  the price to pay were temperatures up to 43ºC this summer!
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #408 on: September 01, 2009, 11:21:13 AM »
Just to chip in some southern hemisphere observations...... Cyclamen coum, libanoticum, cyprium (I think... must check whether still is) repandum (first flower found yesterday) and purpurascens (last flowers for now) are in flower at present.  Buds appearing on balearicum too.

Just to show the other side of the world.  ;D

Cyprium & purpurascens are flowering here too Paul, although mine very rarely continue through to spring like yours 8)
Others now flowering are africanum (survived outdoors over the last several winters), cilicium, colchicum, intaminatum and of course hederifolium.  Rohlfsianum is yet to come, and graecum gives me some beautiful foliage each year but ne'er a flower despite my efforts to give it as much sun and heat as possible :-\

Lovely plants everyone.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2009, 11:25:45 AM by ashley »
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #409 on: September 01, 2009, 07:46:59 PM »
 

Hello Hans A, you must be one of the few people on this forum who can grow C rohlfsianum outside.  A combination of warm summer and frost free winter experienced by few!  (I expect Oron can as well, although do you grow them in your fridge-box Oron?)

Diane, sorry, just got up from my summer dormancy today..

I grow my C. rohlfsianum outside, that is after some years that i would kill them regularly by over watering during summer, following by me knocking  my head against the wall for a day or two, since it takes this species ages to mature.

Things have changed for the better when i decided to treat this species as a succulent or even a Cactus that means i hold water completely for 7 months!! from  March to mid September.

I control young tubers [1-3 years old] monthly and if i see they start to shrink i move them to a cooler place and rarely add some drops of water .
Since then they just thrive here, i find this species to be really fascinating, some patience is required, dew to the short cycle of growth it takes 5-6 years to mature.
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #410 on: September 02, 2009, 07:44:55 AM »
 Thanks for identifying my Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum. I'll never be able to pronounce that  :) 
 
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #411 on: September 02, 2009, 08:10:44 AM »
Thanks for identifying my Cyclamen rhodium ssp peloponnesiacum. I'll never be able to pronounce that  :) 
 
Just call it "Pelops" ;D
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #412 on: September 02, 2009, 08:56:36 PM »
Flowers are appearing fast on my potted cyclamen.  I am struggling to find space to get them on the bench.  I really need to reduce numbers but they are all  different so it is a difficult choice.  A plant which is pleasing me greatly this year is a form of Cyclamen mirabile which has beautiful foliage but up till now has been very poor at flowering.  It was supposed to be 'Tilebarn Nicholas' but of the 4 seedlings 2 had this leaf form and two were more like the correct form.  Pic 1 was taken on Sunday and the second today showing how fast the flowers open. 
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #413 on: September 04, 2009, 07:59:06 AM »
Such a pretty little thing - just like a jewel - precious  :D

I hope it sets lots of seed!
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #414 on: September 04, 2009, 10:22:45 AM »
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Cyclamen mirabile which has beautiful foliage

Roma your C mirabile is absolute perfection - I love the leaves and the flower is so pretty  :)

You're happy and the plant looks happy too  ;)
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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #415 on: September 05, 2009, 05:36:35 AM »
Gerd, Luc thanks.

This is the hederifolium's third year flowering. Each year it keeps getting better. In 2007 when they flowered for the first time I had around 80 flowers that year. In 2008 around 500 flowers, I don't plan on counting them this year.

I extended my hellebore bed, for Jan's dark purple hederifolium, planted 56 seedlings. Maybe they will be darker with natural sunlight, crossing fingers anyways.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #416 on: September 05, 2009, 03:57:56 PM »
Many Cyclamen are coming into flower now, this is Cyclamen graecum album photographed today.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #417 on: September 05, 2009, 05:47:30 PM »
A few more Cyclamen portraits taken today.
Cyclamen mirabile Tilebarn Anne
Cyclamen hederifolium, an unusual colour form from a plant that was found in the Pelion Greece, unfortunately only a low percentage of the seedlings come true to the parent
Cyclamen confusum
Cyclamen rohlfsianum

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #418 on: September 05, 2009, 06:16:19 PM »
Just beautiful Melvyn, all of them.

Here is one of mine from SRGC Seed Ex. as Cyclamen africanum, sown 19 February 2007 and lovingly nurtured since then and flowering for the first time. The thing is I've mulled over the description for C.africanum in Chris Grey-Wilsons "Cyclamen" and his description doesn't fit my plant nor does he mention a white form and as a Cyclamen 'rookie' I find it difficult yet to recognise many of the distinctions between species. Could someone help please.

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Re: Cyclamen 2009
« Reply #419 on: September 05, 2009, 09:28:48 PM »
David, I think your plant is hederifolium.  There has been seed sometimes in the exchanges described as C africanum album but I am not sure that such a plant exists.  I vaguely remember talking to someone at the SRGC weekend last year about this(was it Jean W?).  I've been growing some of these so-called africanum album plants from seed myself to find out what they are (I haven't solved it yet, but hope to shortly). 

I think the best way to differentiate hederifolium from africanum is the shape of the tuber, as africanum has a distinct concave bowl at the upper surface.

The pictures show:
africanum top and lower surface
africanum showing bowl shape to top of tuber
hederifolium top and lower surface
hederifolium showing tuber shape
« Last Edit: September 06, 2009, 09:22:04 AM by Diane Clement »
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