Cyclamen 2009

[Gerdk]

Photos taken this morning, the first C. pseudoibericum
the second is coum originally from the most soutern population known, South to Mt. Meron in the upper Galilee.
This is the typical appearance of the coum in our region [S. Lebanon and N. israel], there is very little variation in flower color or leaf pattern [accept offcourse from coum 'Golan Heights].

Oron, interesting coum form! Do you have pics from 'Golan Heights' too?
The last one is a pure white one, isn't it? Is it better than C. coum f. albissimum, which
is a very tender plant with long and weak leaf- and flower stalks here?

Gerd

[Tony Willis]

Oron I now see what you mean and it is quite a nice flower. Your coum is nice,I have similar ones from the Hatay and also some very pale ones from there. They are not in flower yet so I cannot show one. The pseudibericum is very early, mine will not flower for another couple of months.

Here is a Cyclamen coum from Nur Dag which is in S Turkey which is similar,perhaps the population is quite uniform in the South

[Gerdk]

Your Cyclamen pics pushed me to leave the house and so I found (in the alpine house)
Cyclamen coum coum pallidum 'Album' from AGS seed distribution 2006/2007.

Gerd

[Tony Willis]

Gerd that is very nice. I to have braved the weather and here are a couple

Following the post from Oron here is a Cyclamen coum from Southern Turkey It has leaves 7cms  both across and lenghtways.

The other is a Cyclamen parviflorum with six petals. There is only one flower to show the others have been eaten by my resident slugs

[Oron Peri]

Is the eye white or pink ?

Oron I now see what you mean and it is quite a nice flower. Your coum is nice,I have similar ones from the Hatay and also some very pale ones from there. They are not in flower yet so I cannot show one. The pseudibericum is very early, mine will not flower for another couple of months.

Photos taken this morning, the first C. pseudoibericum
the second is coum originally from the most soutern population known, South to Mt. Meron in the upper Galilee.
This is the typical appearance of the coum in our region [S. Lebanon and N. israel], there is very little variation in flower color or leaf pattern [accept offcourse from coum 'Golan Heights].

Oron, interesting coum form! Do you have pics from 'Golan Heights' too?
The last one is a pure white one, isn't it? Is it better than C. coum f. albissimum, which
is a very tender plant with long and weak leaf- and flower stalks here?
Gerd

Jo I would say more pink.

Gerd, wonderfull plant!
Here is  a coum 'Golan Heights' not the original one but identical to it.
I have found it two years ago at the same place [Odem], unfortunately it didn't survive.
The photo was taken just after snow had melted and so it is quite muddy but the flowers are white as snow!!

Tony infact I find that  south populations are  not variable,
I find your plant to have some elongated form similar to C. elegans also by its elongated white mouth.
You are right about the C.pseudoibericum it is quite early, but this year we have un normal temperatures for the season and its seems spring is almost here.

[Oron Peri]

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The other is a Cyclamen parviflorum with six petals. There is only one flower to show the others have been eaten by my resident slugs
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Tony i would be glad to have it with the six petals and the slugs, this species gives me hard time...

[Hans A.]

Great plants everyone!

Oron, are you growing C. coum outside? - Here it is one of the more delicate species (and parviflorum also would be impossible to grow here I think).

[Gerdk]

Oron, interesting coum form! Do you have pics from 'Golan Heights' too?
The last one is a pure white one, isn't it? Is it better than C. coum f. albissimum, which
is a very tender plant with long and weak leaf- and flower stalks here?
Gerd
Here is  a coum 'Golan Heights' not the original one but identical to it.
I have found it two years ago at the same place [Odem], unfortunately it didn't survive.
The photo was taken just after snow had melted and so it is quite muddy but the flowers are white as snow!!

Thank you for the pic of the Golan plant, Oron. Super specimen! It looks much better than the albissimum which I had.
At the moment, through the kindness of a Dutch Cyclamen specialist (I believe you know him) I am growing some seedlings of Cyclamen coum ' Lake Effect '. being curious about what will appear.

Gerd

[Jo]

Hi Oron, it looks like Golan Heights in your pic has patterned leaves, I thought the leaves are always plain 
Here are some pics from my garden and alpine house today, first a range of species in bloom in the alpine house. Sorry about the photography !
C alpinum
 C elegans
 C parviflorum
 C persicum
 C pseudibericum
 C purpurascens
 C x Wellensiekii

[Jo]

And now some coums

 C coum Golan Heights
 C coum George Bisson
 C coum Tilebarn Elizabeth
 C coum BSBE form 2
 C coum Blush
 C coum stripey leaf
 C coum seeding

[annew]

I don't know how well others manage with C coum 'Tilebarn Elizabeth', but I really struggle with it in pots.All the more surprising then that this plant has been happy at the back of my herbaceous border (where I can hardly see it) for three years. Another pleasant surprise was to see the amount of flower buds on this seedling C coum, many more than on its siblings.

[Oron Peri]

Great plants from every one, Thank you

Hans, there is a strain of coum I'm working on and I grow it out side, it is originally from seeds i have collected at the most Southern population known.
Amazingly this colony grows together side by side with C. persicum, at 800m in very different conditions from what you would aspect for coum.
The only obstacle is that they are quite shy to set seeds, and so  it takes much time to increase my stock.
Hopfully in a few years I'll have enough to start giving some .
This strain would be great for people that live in much milder areas.

Gerd,
As far as I know Coum 'Lake Effect' originally comes from John Lonsdale, the flower has long a bit serrated petals but with some traces of pink.

The finest albissimums are 'Golan Heights' and 'George Bisson',
I think that 'G . Bisson' is much more suitable to grow in countries where light is low during winter time.
Golan Heights comes originally from a large colony  in Odem [900-1000m], where conditions are unique:
8 months a year of complete drought with very high temperatures during summer, and a very cold  winter with some days of snow each year, but it enjoys sunny days almost all winter.
and so if it doesn't get lots of light it just decline.

Among the beautiful plants Jo have posted it is possible to see it clearly, the leaves of 'G.Heights' and 'G. Bisson', evidently 'Golan Heights' suffers from lack of light and looks less happy despite all the flowers.

Jo your coum blush and C. elegans are real stunners.

Ann, I never sow such a floriferuos plant such as your Coum. Fantastic.

[Jo]

Thanks Oron for the info on Golan Heights, I'll change the g/house I keep it in so it gets more winter light. 

I had one in the garden in a similar site to the George Bisson , but after the wet season we've had it hasn't reappeared which is a shame, it had flowered well there last 2 seasons. I've got seedlings so I'll try them in various places outside based on your habitat description.

Annew I agree that Tilebarn Elizabeth is much better planted out, mines not in flower in the garden yet. I keep pot grown ones so its easier to isolate and collect seed.  And to look good in the greenhouse of course 

[Hans A.]

Hans, there is a strain of coum I'm working on and I grow it out side, it is originally from seeds i have collected at the most Southern population known.
Amazingly this colony grows together side by side with C. persicum, at 800m in very different conditions from what you would aspect for coum.
The only obstacle is that they are quite shy to set seeds, and so  it takes much time to increase my stock.
Hopfully in a few years I'll have enough to start giving some .
This strain would be great for people that live in much milder areas.

Oron this is really interesting - I have only one C. coum seedling left here -  grandparents should still grow in Yayladagi /Turkey. Generally I would say it is growing in a to warm position  - on a small southfacing slope only lightly shaded  by a Rosmarinus officinalis - but it does not look bad (it just should flower ).

[Gerdk]

Oron,
Thank you for detailed informations about the natural occurences.
I think you are right about 'Lake Effect' - Lonsdale is the origin and
when I googled for pics of it recently it seems there is a hint of pink.

Gerd