Cyclamen 2009

[Tony Willis]

Paul

that is a lovely intaminatum,really nice flowers. Not one I find easy to grow well

[Paul T]

Tony,

Glad you liked it.  I could almost call intaminatum a weed here, given how freely it seeds and comes up.  My main corm that I had for years was about 5 inches across until it died a couple of years ago.  I had collected and sown various seeds from it over the years though, and I have a number of seedlings in surrounding pots of course.  The wonderful thing is that despite it being white with little to no leaf markings it has thrown white or palest pink seedlings, with leaves ranging from pure green to quite heavily marked.  I've never done anything properly with them unfortunately, so most of them are still in their mass planted seed pots.  Given I have lost the parent I really should isolate and keep a few good ones to grow on properly.  The one I photographed is in a pot by itself as it is a nice pure white, and I have a pale pink with marked leaves in it's own pot as well.  I just love the veined petals.  My original plant could get up to 100 flowers or so at it's peak, but my younger ones are nowhere near the size of it so they get only a fraction of that.

[Oron Peri]

Great plants Paul,

I also find C. intaminatum not an easy one to grow and certainly not a fast growing one.
Can i ask what are the minimum and max temperatures in your area?

[Mark Griffiths]

I found the plain leaved variety did well for me in a pot, and now out in a trough. I also had a "mystery" one that appeared in the plunge which is pink that is also reasonably strong. Most of the others I've raised from seed with patterned leaves are really hard going here.

[Paul T]

Oron,

Temps up to absolute max of around 40'C in summer (with lots well over 30'C to 35'C), with min of -8 or -9'C once or twice each winter (with plenty of frosts and lots of -3 to -5'c).  The majority of the Cyclamen have little or no protection at all in winter, but I have some afternoon summer sun protection for them.  C. rohlfsianum is the exception, as it is up against the house and well protected from the actual frost, although it does get quite cold there.  All are grown in pots, except the odd couple in the ground.  This means that most get the magnification effect of cold in the pots as well, as they don't get the insulation of the ground around their roots. 

How does all of that compare to the conditions you grow yours in?  For those of you interested I can easily share seed if you're wanting to try them from my stock?

[I.S.]

Here is a couple pics from SW. Turkey. First one is C. trochopteranthum syn alpinum I have seen only one sample. For second one I am not sure. It may be C. coum or C. alpinum and it was very common for that region.

[Oron Peri]

Ibrahim

They are both C. alpinum [syn. C. trochopternathum], the light one is forma leucanthum , a real beauty and not  often seen in the wild.

[Tony Willis]

Ibrahim

coum does not occur in the South West,only in the North and the Hatay down towards Syria

[Oron Peri]

Oron,
How does all of that compare to the conditions you grow yours in?  For those of you interested I can easily share seed if you're wanting to try them from my stock?

Paul
Summer temperatures are quite similar to yours around 32-35C but in winter it never drops under +5c and this is probably what makes the difference.
C. mirabile and cilicium are doing Ok, at the moment I have a few intaminatum 3 years old that looks good, they are situated on the northern, cooler part of the house.

[I.S.]

Ibrahim

They are both C. alpinum [syn. C. trochopternathum], the light one is forma leucanthum , a real beauty and not  often seen in the wild.

Oron, What do you mean with forma leucanthum? like albino or var. leucanthum! Because they have different lieves and corms. While the white one has more round corm, the dark one has a corm like coum it is pressed bottom and upper side. 
Here are the leaves of the dark pink one which Kees posted last autumn

[Paul T]

Ibrahim,

Love those trochopteranthum.  That is one that I have tried twice and lost both times. 

[I.S.]

And I want to learn something about replant them this time. The leaves become dry very quickly. What about the corm can they stay live until autumn? Or do they need a special care?
I am untrained about these Cyclamen.

[Oron Peri]

And I want to learn something about replant them this time. The leaves become dry very quickly. What about the corm can they stay live until autumn? Or do they need a special care?
I am untrained about these Cyclamen.

Oron, What do you mean with forma leucanthum? like albino or var. leucanthum! Because they have different lieves and corms. While the white one has more round corm, the dark one has a corm like coum it is pressed bottom and upper side. 
Here are the leaves of the dark pink one which Kees posted last autumn

Ibrahim,

Forma leucanthum describes only the color of the flower [albino...],

This species [syn. C. trochpternathum] is renamed again C. alpinum since 2002 and has two forms: forma alpinum -for the typical common color, and forma leucanthum.

There is a wide range of leaf patterns in this species, with more or less silvery touch, 'Christmas tree' patterns etc.
and as you have mentioned not all tubers look the same.

I find it quite an easy species to grow and one of my plants is 12 years old now, it is easily grown from seeds.
and seems to adapt to different conditions since also in its natural habitat it can be found from sea-level [ seen it in the area of Fethiye] up to about 1700m in the Antalya region.

[Rogan]

Yes! I too have a few Cyclamen flowering (...now that I have learnt how to grow them in my climate!).

It is still too early for C. coum and C. persicum to flower here, but I do have my first C. purpurascens seedling and an ancient C. greacum plant flowering at the moment - not much, but what cute plants and beautiful flowers!

I have had great difficulty germinating commercial seed of C. purp., but two years ago I finally had some success - one seedling out of a packet of 15 - this is the little plant flowering below.

Thanks for all the inspiring pictures - I too crave a Cyclamen "hill" or "slope".   

Narcissus viridiflorus has also sent up its first flower of the season - what a strange, bizarre creation - "lovely" scent though...   

[I.S.]

Oron, thank you very much for behave generous to your knowledge. I still know very little about on these small beauties. And all you are saying for location of this alpinum is correct. I also have seen this alpinum from Fethiye up to the Denizli. The dark one was very common in all different altitute but for forma leucanthum only in 1600 m. and only one sample .