Cyclamen 2009

[Paul T]

Thanks Oron.  Good to know it is correct. 

[Roma]

I have not tried creticum outside, Diane.  I grow it in a greenhouse which is just frost free.  I lost creticum many years ago in an unheated greenhouse with bubble plastic insulation, polystyrene round the pots and a cover over the plants at night.  The other species I was growing at the time survived so I assumed it was quite tender.  (this was many years ago when we got several days at a time with-10 or lower at night and below freezing during the day.)  It is along time since winters have been so severe.

 

[Maggi Young]

I have not tried creticum outside, Diane.  I grow it in a greenhouse which is just frost free.  I lost creticum many years ago in an unheated greenhouse with bubble plastic insulation, polystyrene round the pots and a cover over the plants at night.  The other species I was growing at the time survived so I assumed it was quite tender.  (this was many years ago when we got several days at a time with-10 or lower at night and below freezing during the day.)  It is along time since winters have been so severe.

 

 Hmm, I wonder if when I said creticum, I meant cyprium?  I'll need to ask Ian if I'm getting muddled... but he's asleep!
 

[Hans J]

here are some pics of Cyclamen balearicum from South France :

[Hans J]

....and here is Cyclamen repandum from Corsica :

[Maggi Young]

I have not tried creticum outside, Diane.  I grow it in a greenhouse which is just frost free.  I lost creticum many years ago in an unheated greenhouse with bubble plastic insulation, polystyrene round the pots and a cover over the plants at night.  The other species I was growing at the time survived so I assumed it was quite tender.  (this was many years ago when we got several days at a time with-10 or lower at night and below freezing during the day.)  It is along time since winters have been so severe.

 

 Hmm, I wonder if when I said creticum, I meant cyprium?  I'll need to ask Ian if I'm getting muddled... but he's asleep!
 

 
I get worse, I really do    We have tried both cyprium and creticum outside, without success so far... what we have had some success with is in growing Cyclamen repandum  outside in the gravel paths.

Good to see the sun shining on your plants, Hans.... we have dull and cold weather ... again.

[Hans J]

Maggi ,

yes -we have 24° C here -and it is T-shirt and shorts wether .....
all our Nerium,Laurus,Pelargonium and more are outsite since last weekend .

To the winterhardiness of some Cyclamen :
It is in my eyes really importent to know from where the plants came ,here some examples :


if the C.repandum comes from Croatia so you have no chance with growing them outside -they grows there on sealevel - but if they comes from the Mts. of Corsica or Sicliy you can have a good chance ( they grows there until 1100 m )

same is for C. cyprium -some populations grows near sealevel - some high in the Troodos Mts.

same for C. creticum - they grows mostly between 300 -500 m altitude -but I have found it also on 1400 m -so it is shure that they are much hardier outside .

But a other problem is also our rain and wet in winter - if it is a dry cold ( maybe with snow ) so many plants can survive ...

I have lost a lot of plants in our long and unusual cold winter ....thats life !

the safest way is always to grow the Cyclamen inside ....

[Maggi Young]

the safest way is always to grow the Cyclamen inside ....
 

Yes! I agree!

 Have you truly 24 degrees? We have only 6.5.... I just went to check. 

[Hans J]

  Maggi ,

please go to this link under my postings ( messtation ....)...
  and 10,5 hours with sun 

[Jo]

Its interesting to hear of the problems of keeping the repandums etc pure.  I have all sorts of results from the CS seedex.

They are all lovely but how to tell if they will be hardy

I include a picture of C balearicum Cevennes Form, which looks to me like it has repandum blood in it . Does that make it C X saundersiae ?  Are the named hybrids only ever from a first cross ? They are fertile but can you call their offspring the same name. ?

I'm also delighted that one of about 12 seedlings of C persicum ' Tilebarn Karpathos ' has turned out the right colour. Most seemed to be pale pink or white.  In the alpine house at Wisley last weekend ( 2nd 2 pics ) there were plants labelled 'Tilebarn Karpathos' but the flowers were pale, so should they be called by the cultivar name ?

[Hans J]

Jo :

I'm shure your C.balearicum/ Cevennes is a hybrid ....

If i send seeds from my plants to the Cyc. Society so I always write from where this plants comes ....

My seedling from CS seed of Tilebrn Karpathos has also dark flowers !

I'm always puzzle from where this plants came - I dont believe they are really from the island of Karpathos !

[Tim Murphy]

Jo, at the moment there isn't a name for a hybrid between C. balearicum and C. repandum. C. x saundersiae is a hybrid between C. balearicum and C. rhodium peloponnesiacum. Subsequent generations can carry the hybrid name.

The Wisley plants don't fit the description of the cultivar 'Tilebarn Karpathos', so no, they shouldn't carry that name and should be labelled as just C. persicum. I have strong opinions on cultivar names being applied to cyclamen; I never use them. The original plant is the only plant which should carry the name. All offspring (unless propagated vegetatively) should be labelled as 'ex' whatever...

I'm always puzzle from where this plants came - I dont believe they are really from the island of Karpathos !

Why not, Hans?

[Hans J]

Tim ,

I have visit Karpathos -and I could not found only one Cyclamen ....so maybe I'm in wrong time .
But if you read the flora for Karpathos there are also not written any Cyclamen .

Crete is not so far and there is only one small area with C.persicum ....maybe they are naturalized ....
in other direction is Rhodes and there is C.persicum only a monastiri ....so I suppose that monks have plant them.

Do you know anybody who has seen Cyclamen on Karpathos ?

[Diane Clement]

  We've got a few C. creticum growing outside.... from seed......so far so good! There's a good darkish pink one which flowered over a very long period the last couple of years.

I get worse, I really do    We have tried both cyprium and creticum outside, without success so far... what we have had some success with is in growing Cyclamen repandum  outside in the gravel paths.   

I was a little surprised hearing of C creticum growing outside in the far north, and quite excited at the thought of a dark pink version, but thought you must have put a spell on them     

[Jo]

Thanks Tim, that is very interesting, and I kind of agree with you about hybrid names for seed strains.  Some seed strains are quite pure but the difficulty of keeping them that way means that a lot of mixtures end up in the seed exchanges.  I suppose thats why there are so few nurseries offering named cultivars. They have to flower them first and select.