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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #345 on: October 14, 2009, 10:51:10 AM »
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #346 on: October 15, 2009, 10:06:06 AM »
A few years ago I acquired/bought some Iris juno species seed from a reputable grower/collector.
Last year Iris orchioides flowered for me the first time, at least that's what I thought/presumed was true.
Lesley informed me that the form I grow will most likely be the pure yellow Juno bucharica.
Could someone perhaps explain the difference between the two and/or show the true Juno orchioides for comparison please.
Thanks. Bill
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #347 on: October 15, 2009, 11:57:01 AM »
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #348 on: October 16, 2009, 10:38:31 PM »
Here is another Juno Iris species just opened up a few days ago.
According to Franz Köhlein's "Iris" book description, this Juno vicaria, (syn.Iris orchioides var.coerulea) comes from central Asia on stoney slopes in Turkestan.
Very closely related to Juno magnifica. The stalk is very well-developed and the blossoms are blue-violet, with dark yellow spots on the falls. Little known and probably not cultivated, according to this expert.
Just one expert's opinium I suppose, can anyone confirm/verify or tell us more about this species?
PS: what do the Iris/Juno growers/members think of Franz Köhlein's "Iris" book? Has anyone got this book?
Thanks. Bill
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #349 on: October 17, 2009, 02:40:39 AM »
Hello Bill. Vicaria is offered by 3 online specialist suppliers, the cost runs from $7.00 USD to to 3.00 Euro
to 13,50 GBP ( $23.22 USD ).  There is also a white form available. Janis Ruksans Bulb Nursery in Latvia
also offers it. His clones are from Tadjikistan and Uzbekistan. One priced at 3.00 Euro and one at 10.00 Euro.
I grow Vicaria along with a dozen or so other Juno's.  I have both of the "iris bible's", "Iris" by Kohlein and
"The IRIS" by Brian Mathew.
I haven't pulled out Kohlien's for a couple years now  (until tonight  :) )  but look in The IRIS at least once a week.
Mathew says Vicaria "differs" from Magnifica. It is cultivated in several specialist collections. But at the
prices I can't see why all Iris lovers should not grow it.



Another thing about about Kohlein, He says that the "cutting of the seed" method cannot be
used on the Oncocyclus and Regelia species (pg. 74). I and many others in the Aril Society International
have been doing this for years and it works very well. For those who do not know the Juno's are also
"arilate" with an aril on the seed.  The index in Iris is also very difficult to navigate. 
Regards.  John    PS  Trying an attachment for the first time!  ;D

According to Franz Köhlein's "Iris" book description, this Juno vicaria, (syn.Iris orchioides var.coerulea) comes from central Asia on stoney slopes in Turkestan.
Very closely related to Juno magnifica. The stalk is very well-developed and the blossoms are blue-violet, with dark yellow spots on the falls. Little known and probably not cultivated, according to this expert.
Just one expert's opinium I suppose, can anyone confirm/verify or tell us more about this species?
PS: what do the Iris/Juno growers/members think of Franz Köhlein's "Iris" book? Has anyone got this book?
Thanks. Bill





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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #350 on: October 17, 2009, 08:51:21 AM »
Here is another Juno Iris species just opened up a few days ago.
According to Franz Köhlein's "Iris" book description, this Juno vicaria, (syn.Iris orchioides var.coerulea) comes from central Asia on stoney slopes in Turkestan.
Very closely related to Juno magnifica. The stalk is very well-developed and the blossoms are blue-violet, with dark yellow spots on the falls. Little known and probably not cultivated, according to this expert.
Just one expert's opinium I suppose, can anyone confirm/verify or tell us more about this species?
PS: what do the Iris/Juno growers/members think of Franz Köhlein's "Iris" book? Has anyone got this book?
Thanks. Bill
How old is this book, Bill? The Iris vicarias we have here tend to be paler some with interesting markings on the falls, but these may be hybrids with I.magnifica. We also find the seed easy to germinate without needing to attack it with a knife.  ;)
Thought I'd pop back and modify this by adding 2 pics- the first is I think a 'standard' I.vicaria and the second I.vicaria 'Sina' from Janis- both of which flowered here last spring. I have seedlings from garden collected seed, but it will be a few more years before these flower.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2009, 08:57:49 AM by Sinchets »
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #351 on: October 17, 2009, 11:18:19 AM »
How old is this book, Bill? The Iris vicarias we have here tend to be paler some with interesting markings on the falls, but these may be hybrids with I.magnifica. We also find the seed easy to germinate without needing to attack it with a knife.  ;)
Thought I'd pop back and modify this by adding 2 pics- the first is I think a 'standard' I.vicaria and the second I.vicaria 'Sina' from Janis- both of which flowered here last spring. I have seedlings from garden collected seed, but it will be a few more years before these flower.

Hi Simon, now that you mentioned Janis Jilek, I believe now that the I.vicaria 'Sina' seed originally came from Janis a few years ago, which might explains the darker form or hybrid that I grow.
Is Janis still in business and does he still sells good quality juno seeds? Have you got his website?
Do you know of any other capable, reliable, (reasonably priced), grower/collector that sells good seed?
The 'Iris' book by Franz Kohlein was originally an german 1981 edition, translated in 1987 by Timber Press Inc. and reprinted in 1989 and 1995. Yes an old book superseded perhaps by more modern, other up to date Iris books.
Thanks very much for the information. Bill
« Last Edit: October 17, 2009, 11:30:09 AM by Tecophilaea addict »
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #352 on: October 17, 2009, 11:28:45 AM »
Hello Bill. I grow Vicaria along with a dozen or so other Juno's.  I have both of the "iris bible's", "Iris" by Kohlein and
"The IRIS" by Brian Mathew.
I haven't pulled out Kohlien's for a couple years now  (until tonight  :) )  but look in The IRIS at least once a week.
Mathew says Vicaria "differs" from Magnifica. It is cultivated in several specialist collections. But at the
prices I can't see why all Iris lovers should not grow it.

Hi John, do you know if 'The Iris' by Brian Mathew is still available and where I could purchase this book?
Thanks very much for your reply and information.
Bill
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #353 on: October 17, 2009, 01:20:13 PM »
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Hi John, do you know if 'The Iris' by Brian Mathew is still available and where I could purchase this book?
Thanks very much for your reply and information. Bill 

It's usually available second hand: try 

http://www.abebooks.co.uk
 
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=brian+mathew&bt.x=0&bt.y=0&sortby=3&sts=t&tn=the+iris
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #354 on: October 17, 2009, 06:10:03 PM »
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Hi John, do you know if 'The Iris' by Brian Mathew is still available and where I could purchase this book?
Thanks very much for your reply and information. Bill 

It's usually available second hand: try 

http://www.abebooks.co.uk
 
http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=brian+mathew&bt.x=0&bt.y=0&sortby=3&sts=t&tn=the+iris

Other good online sources of second-hand books include

http://www.abebooks.com/

http://www.alibris.com/

http://www.bookfinder.com/

http://www.amazon.com/

and other national Amazon sites.

Of them all, I prefer to start with bookfinder.com as it is an aggregation site and will search all the others at one click of the mouse. Also, it always shows prices *including* approximate shipping costs. When you are comparison shopping, always take into account shipping and handling charges, as they can be quite high in some cases, reasonable in others.

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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #355 on: October 18, 2009, 09:59:33 AM »
Hi Simon, now that you mentioned Janis Jilek, I believe now that the I.vicaria 'Sina' seed originally came from Janis a few years ago, which might explains the darker form or hybrid that I grow.
Sorry, Bill I should have been clearer the Iris vicaria 'Sina' was from Janis Ruksans of Latvia. Others we have were grown on from AGS seedex of Iris magnifica, which look to be magnifica X vicaria hybrids.
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #356 on: October 18, 2009, 11:30:26 AM »
Simon,

interesting that many of the I. magnifica seed produced what may be hybrids.  Leaves open the question, just how seperate from I. magnifica is I. vicaria?  May really be more of a sub-species situation.

Speaking of I. magnifica, I've not been able to germinate seed of this species, yet, after 18 months in the pot.  Is there a secret, or simply patience and luck.  The seed is still firm.  I have better success with arils!

Although I rather like the Mathews BooK 'THE IRIS', it is very out of date and we sorely need a revision.  Better fotos, expanded text, more genetic analysis, etc.  For the enthusiast, it is still one of the better references, although I refer to Kölhein's book, IRIS, much more often.  In both books, I find there is much interesting information, as well as much to disagree about.  They are both reflective of the decades in which they were written.  Actually, I would prefer a book that handles only the pogon sections, which is a more interesting and meaningful grouping, with a second volume addressing the apogon series.  Pity the BIS publication is already out of print and close to impossible to obtain.  A reprint would be nice, don't you think.
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #357 on: October 18, 2009, 11:51:02 AM »
Howdy All,

I recently posted pics of an Iris I received as Iris Graeberiana - White Falls (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2916.msg112497#msg112497).  Can anyone confirm whether this looks correct or not?  I am asking as it appears that there could be seedpods forming, at least they are definitely starting to swell.  While they may still abort, I thought I would strike while the iron was hot and ask for name confirmation while people's minds were still on the Junos..... just in case the seed did mature.  There really wasn't anything else out at the time so I would be assuming it was self-pollinated ..... perhaps there was a slight overlap with 'Sindpers' (which wouldn't be a bad thing, colour-wise.  ;D).  I'd just like to get the name right on the parent plant anyway... I am guessing that the "White falls" bit was either a relative colour, or else it is a place that it came from?

Any info appreciated.

Thanks.
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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #358 on: October 18, 2009, 12:42:39 PM »
http://www.litbulbgarden.com/catalogue4.php#iris

Paul,

at the above address you can see I. graeberiana White Falls, which is apparently a hybrid and seems to lack the combs your plant shows.  Plus, yours is much more yellow.  I suspect that yours may be a seedling of the original selection or simply the true species.  I have a bulb of 'Yellow Falls', but it has still to bloom.  I would consider yours to be I. graeberiana, but I am far from experienced with this section of Iris.

Still, you have a lovely plant and any seed would be welcome!

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Re: Juno (Scorpiris) 2009
« Reply #359 on: October 18, 2009, 12:51:57 PM »
Simon,
Speaking of I. magnifica, I've not been able to germinate seed of this species, yet, after 18 months in the pot.  Is there a secret, or simply patience and luck.  The seed is still firm.  I have better success with arils!
Jamie, looking at my records my F1 Iris magnifica seeds (that is seeds from the AGS seedex Iris magnifica hybrids) were sown October last year and had germinated by the spring just let outside in pots exposed to the weather. The same for seeds we collected from 'Iris vicaria'. I have had seed of other Junos sit in pots 2 years before they germimated, so maybe you shouldn't give up just yet!
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