Old Dutch catalogues

[arillady]

I should read more carefully before replying

[Maggi Young]

Maggi, let's say it is a matter of digging deep. No problem for an 'old' gardener.

 Dangerous to  do too much digging too early in the year, though, Luit.... think of your back!! 

[Lesley Cox]

What year is it Luit?
 

I'm pretty sure it's 2009 Pat, though I'm getting to be an old gardener too, so maybe there's doubt.

[arillady]

Lesley I do know that I have my days but I was referring to the year of the catalogue which I took in, on second reading, was ca. 1800. 
Hard to believe it is already so far into 2009.
Luit,
Brent wrote:
"Many and warmest thanks!  It’s just as I theorized:  The Dutch rose-listings list most of the varieties by Latinate names.  Rosedom is now, as I write in the preface to my second edition of the Master List, indeed presented with “a great nomenclatural challenge” . . ."
I take it that Brent was very grateful for your efforts and the rose listing has been most useful.
Thank again Luit.

[Lesley Cox]

Lesley I do know that I have my days but I was referring to the year of the catalogue which I took in, on second reading, was ca. 1800. 

I know Pat, I was doing a Cliff Booker.

[arillady]

I thought as much Lesley but you can never be quite sure when it is written.

[Lvandelft]

Thank you Pat (and Brent) for the nice words.
Actually if you would not have asked this I would never been
looking for these old catalogues.
Now I am very grateful too, because searching in such a library as
the one of KAVB is sooooooo much interesting.
I found so many old beautiful coloured plates of plants and bulbs in
other books and journals of the 19th century.
I feel very privileged that I can take all these books in hand and read.

Today I show some more pages out of this catalogue of Messrs. de Graaff.
 I was astonished to find out that ca. 1800 they already offered more
than 600 Hyacinthus .

[David Nicholson]

It's good to see that this kind of information is archived for research in the future.

[Maggi Young]

Sooooooo interesting is sooooo right, Luit. Just astonishing to see these old records...... and who would EVER have guessed that they had so many cultivars in the 1800s? Astonishing numbers. What a treat to learn these things. Thank you 

[Gerry Webster]

Luit - it's  good to know that these old catalogues are preserved.  I suspect I would not be the only person who would be interested in any available  information on the introduction of the trade form of Crocus medius (by van Tubergen?) if you had the time & the inclination to investigate.

[Lvandelft]

Luit - it's  good to know that these old catalogues are preserved.  I suspect I would not be the only person who would be interested in any available  information on the introduction of the trade form of Crocus medius (by van Tubergen?) if you had the time & the inclination to investigate.

Gerry, I am not sure if I will have the time to search this spring.
There is so much to do in the garden. But maybe it is raining some day??

As I do not know very much about Crocus, may be you could inform me first what is
already known about this particular Crocus?
In which years (approx.) should I search and from which country it comes.
There is a long run of van Tubergen catalogues in the library, but they are all in boxes.
All information is welcome. 

[Gerry Webster]

Luit - almost nothing seems to be known about the trade form of Crocus medius apart from the fact that it is probably sterile & quite different in appearance to recently collected wild forms of the  species. C. medius is native to the eastern part of the French Riviera & throughout the Italian Riviera but it has been suggested that the trade form may be a hybrid (though I am sceptical about this). It has been around at least since the early 60s, probably much earlier. My reference to van Tubergen was merely a guess based on the fact that they introduced so many widely-cultivated plants.

Anything you discovered would be interesting to me & probably to Thomas H & Tony G among others.