Scilla 2009

[Sinchets]

Scilla bithynica in oak woodland, Strandja area, SE Bulgaria.

[Sinchets]

Having had to remove the bulbs from a vole infested frame, and then having the lid of the new frame blow off in gales taking labels with it- these are Scilla species 1 and 2 very similar apart from pollen colour. Any chance that either of these is Scilla sibirica 'Penza' or Scilla x sibrose?

[Diane Clement]

Having had to remove the bulbs from a vole infested frame, and then having the lid of the new frame blow off in gales taking labels with it- these are Scilla species 1 and 2 very similar apart from pollen colour. Any chance that either of these is Scilla sibirica 'Penza' or Scilla x sibrose?

They are not like my Scilla sibirica Penza which has black pollen.  There's a picture somewhere on this forum, but I can't find it, so will post again here

[Sinchets]

Thanks Diane- yes that is very different.
Has anyone invented microchipping for plants- just in case their labels go astray?

[Tony Willis]

three in flower now.

The first is a lost label one,the second Scilla sp from Turkey and the third is self seeding in the front garden from being thrown out in old potting compost

[Sinchets]

The 2nd one is very nice it looks like something between Ss.ingridae and melaina.

[Tony Willis]

here are another four, Scilla armena and three sp.

[Ezeiza]

"Has anyone invented microchipping for plants- just in case their labels go astray?"

The problem of labelling is a substantial one. Brian Mathew writes the info twice, one that will stay buried and the other visible. When a cat or an involuntary movement breaks it, the buried portion remains in place and the ID is not lost.

To me the most genial solution is that of Bob Rutemoeller of California. He puts a label with all the ID at the bottom of the pot, then the mix, bulb, mix, etc. and a second visible label as is the normal practice. I can not think of any accident, vandalism, whatever that is not solved with this method. I have doubts concerning tsunamis tho, but for the rest.....

[Gunilla]

The first Scilla to flower in my garden is always Scilla mischtschenkoana.

[Sinchets]

I am normally very good with labelling and I had a detailed plan using grids of where every plant was placed. Then the voles came- they mainly ate Crocus, but many of the other bulbs were taken and stored in underground chambers and passages, or pushed aside and mixed with others. This is why some of my ids have tentative names attached- if I know I had a Scilla in the area where I later found a Scilla bulb, but some of it is just guess work. 

[Sinchets]

here are another four, Scilla armena and three sp.

The 4th one again is lovely, is there any chance that 2 and 3 are forms of S.armena?

[Sinchets]

Flowering now in the rock garden Scilla greilhuberi (?)

[Tony Willis]

here are another four, Scilla armena and three sp.

The 4th one again is lovely, is there any chance that 2 and 3 are forms of S.armena?

The third one is Scilla armena but not the third. Duzuci is down near Osmanyie quite close to Adana

[Oron Peri]

Tony

Regarding the forth plant, no doubt it has S. biflora in it, the leaves and the typical S. biflolia pedicals.
I say it has S . bifolia in it, because it seems to me to be a natural hybrid, and i would even guess it is an hybrid with a Chionodoxa.

x Chionoscilla allenii [chionodoxa lucilliae X scilla bifolia] might be one possibility???

As for the third, I can think of S.melaina.

[Sinchets]

I read this today in an atricle about splitting up the genus Scilla to make more sense of it.

Finally, what is left of Scilla includes species such as S. bifolia as well
as the now defunct genus Chionodoxa (which itself forms 2 unrelated groups).

It does make sense of the whole fertile intergeneric hybrid thing with Scilla and Chionodoxa. I'm not normally a splitter by the way.
See http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/pbs/2003-December/016258.html