Tulipa 2009

[fermi de Sousa]

Tulipa chrysantha "Van Tubergen's Gem"


T. kurdica


T.aucheriana


T. kolpakowskiana





T."Cynthia"


and finally a T.sylvestris taken in Cathy Newing's garden in Macedon.


cheers
fermi

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Great show Fermi !!!
Making the wait for my own Tulips in 6 months time a bit easier...

[Armin]

Hallo Fermi,

Tulips really make a brilliant display in spring garden. It is always a delight to see them flowering.

Your "lost label" T. praestans resembles more T. eichleri or T. praecox or T. hoogiana. All 3 have black/yellow markings and glaucous leaves. Do you have a closer picture from the inner markings?

T. albertii: This looks like T. vvedenskyi to me. Maybe picture names mixed up with the previous one?

Hallo Paul R.,
CC: Fermi
both your T. kurdica looks to me like cultivar T. hageri x aucheriana "Little Princess".
T. kurdica does not have yellow markings to my knowledge.

[Boyed]

Lesley,

John is likely to be right with ID. Your tulip most probaly is TT 'Kees Nelis'. No doubt, in the garden or outside it looks much brighter, but many tulips are somwhat paler, when forced. Your  tulip was bright red with prominat yellow edge resembling 'Kees Nelis' and then it changed it colour to rasberry red with creamy-white adge.

Paul,
Interesting information! I dindn't know that clusiana 'Cynthia' is a cross between clusina and chrysantha. How did you know? I am always interested in parantage of tulips, but it is mainly a hard-to-find info.

[fermi de Sousa]

Hi Armin,
thanks for your comments.
I still haven't found my records of when I bought the "praestans" but it wasn't as any of the names you've suggested; however it could easily have been misnamed when I bought it.
The "albertii" is quite distinct from the "vvedenskyii" in its growth being more open and less upright.
The "kurdica" may well be as you've suggested; I must go back to the books and see what they say about this one. (I think it's very similar to T. hagerii without the greenish exterior.) In that case I'll be on the look out for the true species! Any seed suppliers out there?
cheers
fermi

[vanozzi]

G'day Armin--thanks for that info. My T. kurdica came from Marcus Harvey of Hillview Rare Plants. Marcus would probably be the main commercial supplier in Australia of all things choice. I selfed the plant, and so if its a hybrid and I'm still kicking when it's seedlings flower, I will understand the colour range.

G'day Zhirair.You will be pleased to know that I even cleaned my computer screen of dust, to better see your beautiful Black Leader. Knowing the background/breeding of our plants is always an added joy and so I was pleased when Marcus Harvey added the immediate parentage of T. clusiana ''Cynthia'' to his catalogue.

A lot of the big commercial suppliers of tulips in Australia are now packaging their product just as ''red'' or ''yellow'' etc so to me there is added incentive not to buy from them, but seek out more informative suppliers/growers.

I can imagine you too going completely nuts if you  were in Holland during ''tulip mania'' and that first black tulip hit the market

The well named book ''Buried Treasures'' by Janis Ruksans arrived today, now just waiting for ''Tulips'' by Richard Wilford.I'll need another book case at this rate!
Happy growing !

[Armin]

Hallo Fermi,
regarding T. praestans: you can find good pictures in Reply 125 (Ashley), page 4 and Reply 193(Janis Ruksans), page13 of this thread. Your 1st.picture is definitvely no T. praestans.
For T.albertii and T. eichleri: please look at the pictures of my Reply 200, page14. and Reply 185, page13.

Hallo Paul R.,
I cannot judge the sourcing of your bulbs. Maybe it will also take too long until you get the seedlings of "Little Princess" into flower to know parentage
T. kurdica is close related to T. humilis. A reference is i.e. Leonid Bondarenko web page http://www.litbulbgarden.com/catalogue5.php.
You find there also the cultivar "Little Princess"...

[fermi de Sousa]

Hi Armin,
thanks for your input; the red tulip may well be T.eichleri or even T.fosteriana but most unlikely to be T. praestans.
Here's a closer look at the inside

and the outside

And two more views of the T. albertii

only noticed the intruder when I enlarged the pic!
cheers
fermi

[fermi de Sousa]

These are some "miniaturized" T. "Negrita"

They have been underfed but even small bulbs of these "large" varieties will produce flowers, but much smaller than usual.

Fermi, Tulipa clusiana is so beautiful outside and in - quite tall by the looks of things? 

Robin,
yes T.clusiana is quite tall, up to 18 inches in semi-shade!

I think Dom said he likes acacias so I hope he appreciates this pairing!
cheers
fermi

[Armin]

Hello Fermi,

thanks for the new pictures. For me your 1st. Tulip is T. eichleri. Typical is the greenish marking on the outside of pedals - good visible in the senond picture. T. fosteriana does not have this and the pedal form is a bit more rounded (& larger) then T. eichleri.

Your T. albertii is a questionable for me. Your samples have a yellow basal marking and no lackluster greenish marking(similar to T. eichleri) on the outside of pedals. Also the leaves are not as wide as the T.albertii I have in my garden and which is the form in the commercial dutch trade. These are all parameters which can vary within a species, I know. I don't have enough experience if T. albertii is such variable in the natural habitat.
Zhirair may help us?

[fermi de Sousa]

Hello Fermi,
thanks for the new pictures. For me your 1st. Tulip is T. eichleri. Typical is the greenish marking on the outside of pedals - good visible in the senond picture. T. fosteriana does not have this and the pedal form is a bit more rounded (& larger) then T. eichleri.

Hi Armin,
thank you for helping with identifying this tulip as T. eichleri. I found the name I bought it as was T.fosteriana "Praestans"! I think the sellers were hedging their bets but didn't have any luck either way! As I've said before some names over here are terribly muddled!

Here's a pic of a Lily tulip which may be "Pretty Woman" (another lost label!) "Maytime", thanks to Zhirair for help to ID it


cheers
fermi

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Fermi,
Who eats your labels all the time ? 

Thanks for your Tulip posts Fermi - they brighten up my day (quite dull and grey over here at the moment  ) every morning !

[Boyed]

Hello Fermi,

Your red tulip is tulipa Fosteriana 'Princeps', which is actually a large flowering clone selected from wild. It has bronzy-green base with not bright yellow margin, flower colour from outsite has somehwat yellowish overlay. From well-known fosteriana 'Madame Lefeber' (aka 'Red Emperor') it differs by larger flower, shorter height, and later blooming.

Armin is certainly right, your tulipa albertii is mislabeled.  Your tulip has different shape of flowers, thinner stems and narrow leaves. It somewhat looks close to praestance, but I am not sure what really it can be.

The photo of your lily-flowered tulip is not very clear. If it's flower has narrow white margins, it is "Maytime"; if no, in this case most probably it is "Lilac Time".

[Armin]

Hi Zihair,
thank you for your reply. Fosteriana 'Princeps' is an old cultivar (from 1908) I did not consider .
From searching the web for good pictures of "Princeps" I cannot judge further - the quality is simply too bad.
I grow only "Madame Lefeber" in my garden. Maybe you are right with your identification.

Hi Fermi,
you have the choice now what you would like to name your nice red tulip!
Anyway T.eichleri and T. fosteriana are close related and resemble quite a lot.

[Maggi Young]

This photo of Tulipa 'Princeps' from Luit's thread of the Connoiseur Collection......