Oncos 2009

[art600]

Miriam and Rafa

Many many thanks for posting such wonderful oncos.

[Regelian]

Miriam, Rafa,

many thanks for the in-situ shots and especially the close-ups.  Rafa, I find this helps in understanding the mophology of the various forms.

I am currently attempting to germinate seed of I. lortetii.  It will certainly be worth the effort.

[Rafa]

I received this plant as Iris susiana but I am not sure which name is more correct to use Iris susiana L. or Iris basaltica Dinsm.. If it is the same species, the correct name should be the older name Iris susiana L.. Well, like with Narcissus genus, this is the problem of make botany from cultivated plants in the garden.

[Otto Fauser]

Miriam , Rafa,  Oron , Hans ,
 we are so fortunate to have you and many others on the Forum to share with us
all those beautyful and exotic plants, most of which we would neverin our gardens
or meet in their native habitats, thank you so much .
 I lortetii reigns supreme in beauty , but then many others come close .
Pat -I once grew I. basaltica in the early 1960's, but not for long -seed came from
 Pere Mouterde in Beirut[Universite Saint Joseph ], what a sombre beauty.
 Is Shaukat Chaudary still interested in Iris ?Sydney would not be suitable to grow
Oncos successfuly .
        Otto.

[Hans A.]

Thanks Otto.
Yes,  Mr Shaukat Chaudhary is still interested in Iris and I think he has a look in this forum from time to time ...

[Miriam]

Thank you all.
In reality, these Irises are even more beautiful than in the pictures...

Luit,
In three or four months, the majority will be dry there, as we have no rain during summer and very high temperatures.

[Lvandelft]

Luit,
In three or four months, the majority will be dry there, as we have no rain during summer and very high temperatures.

Miriam, I understand that quite well, but whenever you are there and carry your camera.??
But I realise we will not see much green, it would be interesting though.

[BULBISSIME]

Miriam, Rafa,
nothing else to add except once more : MERCI ET BRAVO !
Wonderfull pic and plants of such splendid genera !!!
waiting for new ones...  and again, and again 

[arillady]

I suggest that some photos be taken with the sun shining through the dotting and veining - these can be truly amazing.
This is when I really marvel at Mother Nature.

[Rafa]

I will try this effect  Pat
Another one

[Oron Peri]

Miriam and Rafa,
These are stunning photos, it seems Oncos really do well in Spain, or is it The expert growers?

[Miriam]

Rafa, is it Iris kirkwoodii subsp. kirkwoodii?
It is pretty similar to Iris basaltica...as far as I can see, in Iris basaltica the dotting and veining are more heavier and darker.
But, I have seen some pictures of Iris kirkwoodii subsp. kirkwoodii that are really the same as Iris basaltica.

[Rafa]

Well Oron, you know ... Yes! we are expert growers why not HAH 

You are absolutely right Miriam, the plant I grow of Iris susiana is very very close to Iris kirkwoodii subsp. kirkwoodii but not like this plant, It is very close to Hans's clones of Iris kirkwoodii subsp. kirkwoodii, indeed, they are exactly the same plant even in measures! both have 11cm diameter. The plant I grow is rescued from old french gardens, labeled as Iris susiana, from Turkey. Hans's Iris kirkwoodii subsp. kirkwoodii is also from Turkey so maybe Iris susiana is just a bigger lineage of plants of this species.

Iris basaltica is even more big arround 15cm diameter.

I think DNA analysis are needed for most of onco Iris....

In the picture Iris kirkwoodii subsp. kirkwoodii at left and I. susiana at right.

[arillady]

Thankyou so much Rafa for those comparison photos - that is most helpful in seeing differences.
I would be very interested to know what old French garden - just for the records of ASI as Iris susiana is just about "like hen's teeth" to find nowadays.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Amazing flowers Rafa  (once again !  )