Pleione early 2009.

[LarsB]

Sorry Chris, no bulbils on lageriana, so it won't be in the goodibag. I don't know if they ever set bulbils.

[Hristo]

Oh well..... Lars excuse my ignorance but is this a species or a primary hybrid? Only two hits when I googled 'lageriana'.
Cheers
Chris

[Maggi Young]

You are searching the wrong thing, I think, Chris....     
Paul's pleione website tells me this:   x lagenaria   =  Pln. maculata x Pln. praecox    hort. (natural hybrid)
 

[Hristo]

Thanks Maggi. it looked so much like the lip of maculata I wasa thinking iit was a primary hybrid, very very attractive indeed,
as Luc points out a good reason to join the 'tracking' club!!

[LarsB]

Maggi beat me to it. I should have written Pleione x lageriana  lagenaria

You should bookmark Paul's Pleione site

http://www.pleione.info/

[Eric Locke]

Luc

As Chris mentioned ,Neem Oil is available on Ebay from the USA under the DYNA - GROW label.
Price including postage is very similar to that which we had to pay in the UK before it was withdrawn. 
An 8oz one of these will last you years. and is well worth purchasing.
Neem oil is also available sold for cosmetic and also for head- lice treatment but not sure if this is of the same quality.

Eric

[Eric Locke]

Lars

Nice to see your x Lagenaria.
Wonder if this is the natural hybrid ? or perhaps the man made version (x Confirmation) done by the late Jan Berg and sold via Orchid Wubben ?

Eric

[LarsB]

I can't say for sure, but I think the grower I got it from would have labelled it accordingly if it was x Confirmation. It is an interesting - but also fairly academic - discussion, if one should distinguish between manmade and natural hybrids of the same parentage. Personally, I think it is irrelevant. It would be much more relevant to distinguish between hybrids made from different clones/subsp. I hybridise Disa and there is a big different in the outcome from using a yellow form of Disa uniflora compared to a red form when you make a hybrid, but no distinction is made. I assume the same will apply to Pleione x Kohlsii if you were to find one where forrestii var.  alba was the parent,  or a pure yellow, they would be different. Still, it would only get a different name, if it was manmade, and it would  not show, which form had been used. 

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Beautiful x lagenaria Lars !!! 

Thanks for the info Eric - if I get hold of 8 oz of the mysterious neem oil - I will surely have a lot of it left to include in my will for my descendants.. 

[Pete Clarke]

on epiphytic orchid leaves, with the exception that Neem oil is replaced by olive oil

Chris - in order to preserve my dwindling stock of neem oil, I have just tried using olive oil instead, on a plant with red spider, but it did not work. It might be that olive oil is too thin to be effective or that there are other substances in the neem oil that kill them.
Pete.

[Roma]

Not sure if this is any help re neem oil.  There is a product available containing neem oil and other oils.  It used to be called Stop it All but is now called Ruggle-it.  It is supposed to be useful as a fly repellant and for skin complaints in animals and humans and also for use in the garden.I have not tried it.  The website is www.karenruggles.co.uk   
I seem to remember Cyril Lafong mentioning he used an insecticide containing rapeseed oil against red spider mite and found it effective but I don't remember the name.

[Eric Locke]

Lars

Continuing on the discussion on x Lagenaria and x Confirmation.
I have always found plants of the natural hybrid to be of a fairly pink colouration as your photo shows.
Plants supplied by Wubben ,which are from Jan Bergs cross and should be labelled x Confirmation, show a very variable colour range . I have clones that are almost white,ones that are pale pink and darken as they age and others that are very similar to your photo.
All clones do have  similar lip markings.
It is possible that because Wubben continue to label these as x Lagenaria and not Confirmation that plants have now been mixed up and causing confusion.

Eric

[Eric Locke]

Thanks for the info Eric - if I get hold of 8 oz of the mysterious neem oil - I will surely have a lot of it left to include in my will for my descendants.. 

Luc

I am just coming to the end of my first 8oz Neem Oil which has lasted about eight years even with my large collection. I do mainly use it however only for dipping dormant bulbs.
Luckily I purchased a couple of spare lots before it was withdrawn.
Eric

[LarsB]

I'll try to trace the roots of my x lagenaria.

Kind regards

Lars

[LarsB]

I've jsut has a reply from the guy i got the plant from and it doesn't originate from Wubben.

Kind regards

Lars