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Regelian
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #135 on:
May 12, 2009, 09:46:39 AM »
Simon,
certainly looks like P. peregrina. Hans can probably say more. Wonderful to see a natural stand of the plants. Will you be able to collect seed later in the year? That would be very cool! I have but one that will bloom today or tomorrow, which I grew from seed. Hopefully it will come true.
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Jamie Vande
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Hans J
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #136 on:
May 12, 2009, 10:25:07 AM »
yes -it is for shure P. peregrina -may be P. peregrina v. romanica
I'm a bit surprised for the growing situation ....it look like a open area - right ?
I have visit before many years two populations in south italy ( with the help of italian botanists ) .....this plants grows more in woods or on clearings - on one location was it mixed with P. mascula ....and I saw some hybrids !
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 13, 2009, 11:59:19 AM »
Jamie, we have every intention of going back to collect seed. There were so many flowers and so many developing pods, there that I am sure nature can spare us a few seeds.
Hans, there are 2 distinct populations: one growing in the beach woodland on the slopes of the escarpment, which has wider leaves and 10 petals; and one growing on the ridge of the excarpment in open grassland and scrub, these have narrower leaves and fuller petals. On the day we visited the heat was blistering, yet the Paeonies were in full flower in full sun with Thlaictrum aquilegifolium (a species we have only seen wild in shady woods in the past).
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Simon
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Sinchets
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #138 on:
May 15, 2009, 07:26:52 PM »
Flowering today- Paeonia peregrina (originally from Kelways)
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Simon
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Ragged Robin
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 15, 2009, 09:50:53 PM »
love it - and so will the bees
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 16, 2009, 12:00:20 AM »
Lovely, Simon.
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Paul T.
Canberra, Australia.
Min winter temp -8 or -9°C. Max summer temp 40°C. Thankfully, maybe once or twice a year only.
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 17, 2009, 05:09:13 PM »
Here is a plant I bought as a seedling from Slack Top Nursery three years ago and flowering for the first time. The label says "Paeonia anomola?" Google tells me that this species is a little mixed up. Does anyone think it isn't P anomola?
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David Nicholson
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Diane Clement
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 17, 2009, 05:44:20 PM »
It's very similar to P veitchii, I don't think I can tell the difference and I believe the taxonomists are also confused
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Diane Clement, Wolverhampton, UK
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 17, 2009, 07:34:42 PM »
I agree with Diane, David. It looks like the P.veitchii I have had too. Pis I have seen of anomla have much more finally dissected leaves and redder flowers. I think the P.anomala I have coming on from seed will be P.veitchii too looking at their leaves.
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Simon
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 17, 2009, 07:40:16 PM »
This one is labelled Paeonia anomala and I think it came from Vera Peck. Seems to have a lot of data, the collection site etc as was typical of Vera - everything but the collector's birth date and phone number - which I will pass along when I find my glasses in the garden. The flower is a bit redder than shown and the bud scales bluer. Does it look right?
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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May 17, 2009, 07:54:31 PM »
Now I am confused. I can see the similarities between my plant and Diane's Paeonia veitchii in their leaf forms. I'm no good at taxonomic terms so I can't describe them properly but the only difference seems to be the colour (and that may well be down to differing light conditions or possibly growing conditions) with mine a much lighter green. The leaves on your plant John seem much wider and indeed solid (if you see what I mean!)
Found this on Google
http://www.cababstractsplus.org/abstracts/Abstract.aspx?AcNo=20043099334
which if I understand it correctly makes P. veitchii a subspecies of P. anomola
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David Nicholson
in Devon, UK Zone 9b
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Regelian
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #146 on:
May 17, 2009, 10:02:52 PM »
From what I've read about the
anomola-veitchii
contingency is that
anomola
blooms a few weeks before
veitchii
, bears its flowers singly, while those of
veitchii
are normally in 2s and 3s and smaller. Foliage is minimally finer for
veitchii
, but not a good indicator. The carpels for
anomola
are glabrous, while for
veitchii
they are tormentose.
If these differences are correct, then the species should be easy to seperate from the carpels alone.
I have a plant in the garden that I purchased as
veitchii
, but it flowers before my
anomola
. It does have multi-flowers per stem and the flowers are smaller than
anomola
and violet-purple. The leaves are finer cut than my
anomola
.
My
anomola
has pinker flowers, held singly and much larger.
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Jamie Vande
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #147 on:
May 17, 2009, 10:13:21 PM »
P.anomola looks very different here to the pics in 'Perennials' by Phillips and Rix. Could it be a mistake in naming that has been passed down with the plants?
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Simon
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Lesley Cox
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #148 on:
May 17, 2009, 10:45:41 PM »
Maybe it's an anomaly David.
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Lesley Cox - near Dunedin, lower east coast, South Island of New Zealand - Zone 9
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Re: Paeonia 2009
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Reply #149 on:
May 18, 2009, 04:03:31 AM »
re: Paeonia anomala
Having found my glasses I now can see the book and the faded original label from Vera: Source: AC 11/96, C. Asia, to 18", crimson red, open birch forest, 3....
Obviously this is a hybrid. I suspect the AC may be Alleyne Cook of North Vancouver as there is no Paeonia anomala seed on the 1995 or 1996
A
G
C
BC seed exs.
It will be interesting to see the flower, foliage is pretty good.
johnw
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