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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #510 on: May 31, 2010, 05:02:18 AM »
Olga, some very nice epimedium flower portraits... I think I like Epimedium "Oh My Memory" best, maybe that should be the name of the cream-white pinnatum colchicum ;D  Perhaps that one is E. latisepalum, just a guess... (white flowered, the plant going around as latisepalum with white and yellow flowers appears to be wushanense).
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #511 on: May 31, 2010, 05:55:33 AM »
Today is a miscellany of items.  I fell behind with the super-advanced season this year, the earliest season by 2 weeks ever, followed by endless warm days and some very hot days to 35 C.

1-3  An epimedium relative, the small American genus Vancouveria provides a few little woodland plants similar to epimedium, all 3 species with the fun name "insideout flower" based on the unusual flower shape.  The most common one encountered, the one I grow, is V. hexandra.  The plant is great for dry shade, in fact, mine was planted 20 years ago in a woodland area of my property where my water hoses do not reach, growing under huge and thirsty sugar maples, and in those 20 years has spread to about 3 meters x 3 meters, growing 8-10" (20-25 cm) tall.  The flowers are cute, white parachute affairs held above trim foliage.

Here is more info on this small genus Vancouveria.  I really want to acquire V. chrysantha, not sure why the other two species are so hard to come by.  Are these grown in the UK or Europe?  Has anyone every tried hybridizing Vancouveria with Epimedium?

Vancouveria hexandra - white insideout flower
http://plants.usda.gov/java/nameSearch?mode=symbol&keywordquery=VAHE
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0210+0547

Vancouveria chrysantha - Siskiyou insideout flower
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0106+1163
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=0000+0000+0605+1171
...foliage and pods
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?enlarge=1351+3163+4290+0084

Vancouveria planipetala
http://calphotos.berkeley.edu/cgi/img_query?query_src=photos_index&where-taxon=Vancouveria+planipetala
(A couple images in the gallery surely represent V. hexandra and not planipetala).

4-5  Two photos of Epimedium x youngianum 'Freckles' foliage... the after-bloom foliage shows the strong and irregular speckling to erratic leaf-mottling... some leaves almost entirely red or brownish red.  What I find interesting, is that hybrid seedlings from this plant almost always show the strong leaf mottling and spotting.  I had a self-sown seedling between this cultivar and E. grandiflorum 'Princess Susan' appear, just like a "Freckles" but with the clear white-sepalled pink-petalled flowers so well known from the cultivar 'Princess Susan'.

6    The clear white and pink flowers of E. grandiflorum 'Princess Susan', with a few yellow and white flowers of E. brevicornu x membranaceum in the corner.

7-10  E. campanulatum is one of the species that lacks prominent spurs, the flowers are tiny yellow thimble-bells produced in abundance.  I like this plant very much, it is so different than most, looking like a more decumbent version of the upright E. platypetalum that Olga showed.  This species (campanulatum) has me thinking... how true is it that most (almost all) Epimedium species are said to be self-sterile and require a 2nd species to be present for seed to be produced.  I wonder.  E. campanulatum has been flowering non-stop for 6 weeks, just coming to an end now, but sets a huge quantity of seed even though few other Epimedium blooms are available for cross-pollination.  In the photos, you'll see a plant that is finishing up flowering; it has nearly 50 stems, each stem has about 40-50 flowers produced over a long period, and I swear every single flower makes a pod... so there are about 2000 pods on one plant; each pod has 4 seeds in it, that's 8000 seeds!  I wonder if this species is self-fertile, I wonder the same about E. x setosum which also makes tons of seed even though most other Epimedium around it are done flowering.
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #512 on: May 31, 2010, 11:31:34 AM »
Mark - Here's is Vancouveria planipetalum here. Wonderful glossy foliage that would be interesting if captured in an Epimedium cross.

I'm surprised no one has attempted such an obvious cross.  You'd better get cracking.

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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #513 on: May 31, 2010, 11:42:38 AM »
There are Plantfinder listings for V. hexandra, chrysantha and planipetala  suppliers in the UK.

I think John's right.... time for you to get cross pollinating, McMark!
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #514 on: May 31, 2010, 12:31:30 PM »
Mark - I'll watch out for seed but do remind me when you think they might be ready as I have no experience collecting Vancouveria seed.

I can't recall seeing V. chrysantha being offered in western Canada. Surely one of the west coast Amercian nurseries must sell them all.  The Oregon Hardy Plant Society website might be a good place to start.

We had one hot day here a week ago today - +29.5C but it has been cool and blustery ever since.  Last Thursday I was in PEI and it was dark, gusty and 8c.

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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #515 on: May 31, 2010, 03:38:47 PM »
Mark - I'll watch out for seed but do remind me when you think they might be ready as I have no experience collecting Vancouveria seed.

I can't recall seeing V. chrysantha being offered in western Canada. Surely one of the west coast Amercian nurseries must sell them all.  The Oregon Hardy Plant Society website might be a good place to start.

We had one hot day here a week ago today - +29.5C but it has been cool and blustery ever since.  Last Thursday I was in PEI and it was dark, gusty and 8c.

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John, I wasn't aware just how nice the foliage is on V. planipetalum, thanks for showing us this.

Just checked my large swath of Vancouveria hexandra, not one seed capsule to be found.  I can see that some rudimentary pods start forming then quickly shed, because they're not fertile; I suspect more than one clone is required for viable seed to be made.  John, in the link I posted of V. chrysantha, there's one photo showing foliage and pods... they are much like Epimedium pods, little stubby pods which are best picked *before* they actually dehisce and start dropping seed... the seeds will probably look something like epimedium seed, just like tiny fleshy green lima beans.  Not sure how they'd transport, but I suppose they could be packed in just barely moist vermiculite in a small plastic "zip lock" bag... I just sent off some fresh Jeffersonia dubia seed that way.

But, I also took a look, and there are North American sources for all three species... yay!

Going to be yet another very warm (hot?) breezy day.
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #516 on: May 31, 2010, 03:47:02 PM »
There are Plantfinder listings for V. hexandra, chrysantha and planipetala  suppliers in the UK.

I think John's right.... time for you to get cross pollinating, McMark!

As I type this, my hands are stained with pollen, both Epimedium and Vancouveria! :D :o

Never really thought of attempting to cross Vancouveria hexandra with Epimedium; I think Darrell Probst has tried it but t didn't work.  I went ahead and did some pollen dabbing just for the fun of it.  My thoughts, looking at the Vancouveria, even if it could cross with epimedium, is "so what", it has tiny white flowers... but I suppose the late flowering habit, total drought resistance, and possibly the curious flower shape if it could be passed along to progeny, might have merit.  And then again, we try such things, just... because ;D
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #517 on: May 31, 2010, 04:05:52 PM »
Up close, the little parachute shaped flowers of Vancouveria are cute.  I wonder, if Vancouveria and Epimedium could be crossed, what the flower shape would be like?  Some other late season Epimedium thoughts today:

1    Vancouveria hexandra - close-up of flowers

2    Epimedium fangii -  I was excited by this one at first, but the light yellow flowers are sort of a "let down", being thin textured and not well presented.  I like it better for the leathery 3-part foliage, the new foliage in bright red and bronze tones.  I think it'll be a useful one for hybridizing with.  I also have to move this plant where it can spread, the rhizomes are very long (up to 12" or 30 cm).

3    Epimedium brevicornu x membranaceum (#2) - I mentioned that only one of these crosses is everblooming like its parent membranaceum.  I take that back, as more of the now 3-year-old plants are showing the same tendency, with lots of new flower stems forming at this late season.

4-8 Epimedium elongatum - this is a new species in my garden, from Darrell Probst introduction.  It is native to high elevations (9,000 - 12,000 feet) in Sichuan Prov., China.  What is unique about this species, is its late flowering, mine just coming into flower; Darrell reports that it flowers in June for him, and July in the wild.  It is a delightful upright airy species, with crisp small leaflets, and perky yellow flowers with small dark red outer sepals.
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #518 on: June 02, 2010, 01:50:26 PM »
I think I like Epimedium "Oh My Memory" best... that one is E. latisepalum

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Yes, it is. I like it's liaves - long, hard and thorned.
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #519 on: June 02, 2010, 01:52:49 PM »
Pink Champagne




Epimedium davidii
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #520 on: June 02, 2010, 03:16:22 PM »
'Pink Champagne' is such a beautiful cultivar.  Olga, in your second photo, the out-of-focus leafy background is PERFECT, the bits of light looking just like champagne bubbles ;D  My 'Pink Champagne' is new to the garden this year, so just a little thing, but knowing it comes from similar parentage as 'Domino', I have every expectation that it becomes a sensation in the garden.  Speaking of 'Domino', it has done this whole 2nd-tier leafing-out thing, with a secondary show of blooms, the flowers near white in their second flush.  The second-flush stems reach 2' (60 cm) or more.

Do you know what form of E. davidii you have.  Of course, it is the classic yellow Epimedium... Garden Vision Epimediums sells about 5-6 forms of this, and I can say from experience some are much better growers than others.  My favorite form is one called E. davidii "Wolong Selections". Perusing the nursery rows Garden Vision Epimedium, there is a bed full of E. davidii that is a relative giant compared to most forms, with abundant more lush mottled foliage... I don't think that one has been offered yet.

One photo of E. 'Pink Champagne' among the nursery rows at Garden Vision Epimedium.
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #521 on: June 02, 2010, 09:37:53 PM »
That's a jolly useful map in your first link there Mark. It gave me a totally new perspective on where some states actually are. I always thought Ohio was somewhere west of the middle, for instance. And I've at last got all those little states in the east sorted out (not to mention Nova Scotia, New Brunswick etc). Of course I could always look at an atlas, but I don't unless there's a real need. :D
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #522 on: June 08, 2010, 07:29:36 PM »
Vancouveria hexandra is a nasty weed here, I've spent years trying to eradicate it.

E. sagittatum below, a huge disappointment, it was bought from China as E. brachyrrhizum :P

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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #523 on: June 08, 2010, 10:01:28 PM »
Vancouveria hexandra is a nasty weed here, I've spent years trying to eradicate it.

E. sagittatum below, a huge disappointment, it was bought from China as E. brachyrrhizum :P

The reason I planted my Vancouveria hexandra way down in my dry woods under Sugar Maples, is for that reason, it is known to spread too aggresively, so I didn't want to take any chances.  In the 20 years it's been there, it has spread into a large patch meters across, but not as far and wide as I expected.  There are some spreading or romping rhizomatous epimedium species that could easily outpace this Vancouveria.

Too bad about your E. brachyrrhizum, one of the very best species, but it is also one of the most available so maybe you can find a closer source. However, your E. sagittatum does have beautifully mottled new foliage, even if the flowers are minute.
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Re: Epimedium listing: including Epimedium 2010
« Reply #524 on: June 08, 2010, 10:06:50 PM »
A late season Epimedium miscellany, the colorful second flushes of foliage winning the day.

1   Epimedium membranaceum x rhizomatosum - a young unremarkable plant.  The flowers on both species are similar, although larger, brighter, and more openly spreading in E. membranaceum (beautiful), lighter colored, smaller and more clawed (incurved) with rhizomatosum (negligible).  The flowers on the hybrid are intermediate between the two, but the shorter curved seed pods resembling rhizomatosum versus the much longer straight "baggy caterpillar" pods of membranaceum.  As the plant develops, it will be interesting to see what spreading or clumping growth habits it displays.

2-3 E. grandiflorum var. coelestre 'Alpine Beauty'- light chartreuse 2nd flush of foliage over a low brace of smooth dark green hearts. Being an alpine species, the growth and flowers are late to emerge compared to most other eppies; the flowers just peeking out from above and the perimeter of the low dense leafage.  The creamy yellow flowers are rounded in outline and have a thick substance to them.

4   E. fangii - I really like the cherry red new leaves among the older dark green 3-part leaves.

5   E. diphyllum 'Variegatum' - a delightful small plant at all seasons, the leaves show variable leaf coloring and degree of milk-spot variegation depending on the season.

6   E. grandiflorum hybrid plants (E. g. f. flavescens 'La Rocaille' x 'Larchmont') showing a colorful second flush.

7   E. grandiflorum 'Lavender Lady' - small foliage so densely packed that the mounds are firm to the touch, the second foliar flush shows many shades of color.

8   E. membranaceum x brevicornu (#2) - new leaf flushes (many) are nearly all white and pink, and new flushes of small white and yellow flowers keep on coming.

9   E. x 'Amanogawa' - second flush of coffee color foliage and more white flowers coming.

10  E. brachyrrhizum - second foliar flush just starting to show, but even without it, the low mound of rugose-textured dark green leaves is most appealing.  E. x youngianum 'Otome' is behind on the left.
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