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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #825 on: May 28, 2017, 05:24:31 PM »
Mark - very nice flower sprays on the OP elongatum!

You described very well the weather from southern Ontario :)
E. acuminatum flowered just at the time of a cold snap/heavy rains and it seems my hopes for seeds are gone. Would have been nice to get few others than yellow flowered hybrids.

On the other hand, the little hybrid I've shown produces seeds (I've seen a bumble bee going back and forth to lischichenii ). Also the only OP E. lischichenii I have and flowered has seeds and I will continue with it - the flowers are nothing spectacular but the leaves are extremely long and had a very nice mottling in the spring.

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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #826 on: May 28, 2017, 06:48:52 PM »
Wim, we've been discussing in other social fora, but wanted to say, you're the Master of Names, some very interesting suggestions.  The 'Rik' hybrid has very deep color and saturation, I LIKE IT, would like to see what the plant looks like as a whole.

I'll post a pic as soon as I find the time...

Anyone here knows what the letters "CPC" stand for in certain Epimedium collections? Brachyrrhizum, davidii and epsteinii at least have been collected by the people who use that collection prefix.
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #827 on: May 28, 2017, 07:15:30 PM »
 According to the RHS list, Wim,  linked here:
http://www.srgc.net/foru/index.php?topic=5050.msg137919#msg137919
CPC  would  be 
Cobblewood Plant Collection

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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #828 on: May 29, 2017, 05:22:15 AM »
According to the RHS list, Wim,  linked here:
http://www.srgc.net/foru/index.php?topic=5050.msg137919#msg137919
CPC  would  be 
Cobblewood Plant Collection

e.g. Darrell Probst
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #829 on: May 29, 2017, 09:08:32 AM »
According to the RHS list, Wim,  linked here:
http://www.srgc.net/foru/index.php?topic=5050.msg137919#msg137919
CPC  would  be 
Cobblewood Plant Collection

Thanks Maggi!
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #830 on: May 29, 2017, 09:08:59 AM »
e.g. Darrell Probst

So CPC evolved to Cc. over the years?
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #831 on: May 29, 2017, 02:51:20 PM »
According to the RHS list, Wim,  linked here:
http://www.srgc.net/foru/index.php?topic=5050.msg137919#msg137919
CPC  would  be 
Cobblewood Plant Collection

Maggi, the link did not work for me, I spotted an unusual part of the link, "foru" vs "forum", guessed that maybe that's the reason, and sure enough then the link worked.  See if this version works:
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5050.msg137919#msg137919
« Last Edit: May 29, 2017, 02:53:54 PM by TheOnionMan »
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #832 on: May 29, 2017, 02:59:09 PM »
So CPC evolved to Cc. over the years?

Possibly so, but I'm not sure.
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #833 on: May 29, 2017, 03:16:42 PM »
Mark - very nice flower sprays on the OP elongatum!

On the other hand, the little hybrid I've shown produces seeds (I've seen a bumble bee going back and forth to lischichenii ). Also the only OP E. lischichenii I have and flowered has seeds and I will continue with it - the flowers are nothing spectacular but the leaves are extremely long and had a very nice mottling in the spring.

The leaves on your lishihchenii hybrid almost look like ilicifolium, long and slender, rather elegant. I was left with a bunch of lishihchenii self-sown seedlings when my main plant died after the drought of 2011, resulting in odd hybrids falling into two catagories of flowering. Some have sprays of flowers that look very similar to versicolor 'Sulphureum' (that species was growing right next to lishihchenii), and others have the more typical big arching spider flowers. All have the same big broad bullate (deep-vein textured) leaves that get very leathery and shiny. Darrell saw one of these those that resemble versicolor 'Sulphureum' and was taken aback, he too suggested it looked like 'Sulphureum' flowers. One of these has extra large foliage and very long sprays of bloom that sprawl around, it's a "FrankenEpimedium".  :P  Photos showing the two basic type hybrids and winter foliage.
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #834 on: May 30, 2017, 09:35:35 AM »
This is Rik in a pot.
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #835 on: May 30, 2017, 06:24:00 PM »
The leaves on your lishihchenii hybrid almost look like ilicifolium, long and slender, rather elegant. I was left with a bunch of lishihchenii self-sown seedlings when my main plant died after the drought of 2011, resulting in odd hybrids falling into two catagories of flowering. Some have sprays of flowers that look very similar to versicolor 'Sulphureum' (that species was growing right next to lishihchenii), and others have the more typical big arching spider flowers. All have the same big broad bullate (deep-vein textured) leaves that get very leathery and shiny. Darrell saw one of these those that resemble versicolor 'Sulphureum' and was taken aback, he too suggested it looked like 'Sulphureum' flowers. One of these has extra large foliage and very long sprays of bloom that sprawl around, it's a "FrankenEpimedium".  :P  Photos showing the two basic type hybrids and winter foliage.

That's very interesting to see the versicolor flowers on top of lishihchenii foliage; I maintain the opinion that the evergreen foliage makes them worth anyway (not to be named of course) and not in your case - you have too many beautiful ones.

My theory is that my OP lishihchenii shows genes from the wushanense - via E. Amber Queen. I always had them growing close by; they still are.
The flowers are not bad as well but as I said not spectacular. It also flowered very early, well in advance of both parents.
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #836 on: May 30, 2017, 08:13:33 PM »
That's very interesting to see the versicolor flowers on top of lishihchenii foliage; I maintain the opinion that the evergreen foliage makes them worth anyway (not to be named of course) and not in your case - you have too many beautiful ones.

My theory is that my OP lishihchenii shows genes from the wushanense - via E. Amber Queen. I always had them growing close by; they still are.
The flowers are not bad as well but as I said not spectacular. It also flowered very early, well in advance of both parents.
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Attractive flowers on that "lish", as you say, many of these hybrids are fun things to keep and grow in the garden, not necessarily something to be named.

Follow-up on Epimedium 'Yachimata Hime', photo of the colorful 2nd flush of foliage. There's still one flower left, I dabbed pollen on it  ;D
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #837 on: May 30, 2017, 08:35:29 PM »
I'm making new beds with lots of yellow species hybrids (ilicifolium, membranaceum, elongatum, and some davidii). This one is a membranaceum hybrid in bloom now, growing lower and wider than typical species, flowers about 1/2 size but very numerous. We'll see how far into the season it'll continue to bloom.
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Re: Epimedium - various threads gathered together here
« Reply #838 on: May 31, 2017, 02:24:12 AM »
This is Rik in a pot.

Ah Wim, I didn't see your photo of 'Rik' when I last posted, now that's different, what pudgy lantern-like flowers!  I like it!  Would be nice if it had more flowers, but it's definitely a standout for color and flower shape.
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« Reply #839 on: May 31, 2017, 12:34:03 PM »
Ah Wim, I didn't see your photo of 'Rik' when I last posted, now that's different, what pudgy lantern-like flowers!  I like it!  Would be nice if it had more flowers, but it's definitely a standout for color and flower shape.

It is very floriferous, Mark, but I only got mine this year, he was crammed in a way too small pot and is out of shape for this year, I'll show you next year.
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