Lilium 2009

[Lesley Cox]

Can anyone identify for me please, this delightful little lily which has come up as a seedling in a pot of Trillium seed which hasn't germinated so far. It was sown in June 07 so this has flowered in less than 2 1/2 years. It is about 18cms high but will probably grow taller when released from captivity. The flower size on the enlarged second pic is about right.

[Otto Fauser]

Hello Lesley , just a very quick reapearence on the Forum - but as I have the same Lily in flower today , I think I am right in naming it L. maritinum .

Very slowly getting better ,

         Otto.

[Paul T]

Great to see you well enough to be on the forums, Otto.  Excellent!!

So what is the difference between Lilium maritimum and maritinum, or is one a spelling mistake.  There are a lot of entries on google for both of them, but what references I can find do not mention a maritinum anywhere.  Entries on google have both names as from california, so I am guessing that one of them is correct and one isn't?  I'd never heard of maritinum until now, but it is obviously used by a lot of people. John Bryan's book "Bulbs" only lists maritimum.  I have a single seedling from seed received as Lilium maritimum, from a Californian resident.  

[gote]

It certainly is l maritimum.  Strange that you get an endemic calliforninan amongst seed of an East coast Trillium.
It looks very cramped so pplease release it from captivity.
Congratulations. It is one I do not have - and will hardly be able to grow considering its home land climate.
Cheers
Göte
 

[gote]

Axel, you will find that most EuroSceptics have no problem with Europe at all.... quite the reverse in most cases  .... but there are a lot of people with scepticism about European Parliament politicians and bureaucrats!!

I recall someone saying (Delors??) "We do not invent these rules we only implement what you ask us to do."
The problem is that it is usually national bans and restrictinos that get implimented on the European level
Rarely the freedoms and permits.
A Swedish type of tobacco (snuff) is banned in the EU because one of those eurosceptic Englishmen lobbied for that it be banned.
This means that the rate of lung cancer in the rest of Europe is higher than what it would have been without the ban.   
Cheers
Göte

[gote]

A few Liliums flowering now.bye Ray
 Lilium tsingtauense.JPG

Do you have any interesting proveience for the tsingtauense Ray?
This lily seems to be a little enigmatic.
I have the same under the same name but the flower does not fit the description in the books too well and I also have another, known to have come from Korea fairly recently.
That one has flowers more like a concolor and a peculiar dicothomus branching habit.
The "tsingtauense" we have in common seems to be classified as a hybrid at times.
I do not have the time to dig out a picture today but will try later.
Cheers
göte 

[Ray]

Hi Gote,I got this Lilium from Marcus Harvey this year and in his web site he says it is from Eastern China but where exactly he doesn't say.bye Ray

[Joakim B]

Göte the ban on snuff is easy to understand. No one but the Swedes produce it and the UK has big tobacco companies so killing a possible competition is logical.
The bad bargaining from the Swedes about this and the triumph when the Swedes got the exception from this law shows to what extent I rate the Swedish diplomatic efforts and bargaining skills.
I am truly a believer in a stronger Europe and enjoy the ease we can import plants from now an even bigger area. I see from the Nordic friends Noway what pains they have importing plants from the rest of Norway Europe.

Axel I also though the same as David that it was the Lily beetle but checked before answering. I did not find much on internet about this one and the one I found was in German WiKi pedia. I think Lilly beetles can be fought if started early enough to have less of the small ones ruining the Lilie's and less next years but if living with neighbour not fighting them it does not stop the invasion.
So far these have been fought manually with some success.

Great lily Lesley

Kind regards
Joakim

[Lesley Cox]

Welcome back to the Forum Otto. I'm pleased to hear you're improving. Can I phone you on sunday, say about 10am your time?

My lily mystery is solved, thanks to you all. In April 2007 when I was in Oz, Marcus gave me some seed of L. maritimum and the pot of seedlings (none as big as this one yet) was next to the Trillium pot. A seed must have found its way next door, either by insect or perhaps me pulling a little weed and shaking off the soil with seed. It has settled in a new pot and obviously enjoyed the change of scene.

[Lesley Cox]

Having done a quick Google, I will expect L. maritimum to grow much taller than my present baby. That's fine. I recall reading, I think in an Archibald seedlist, that L. maritimum refuses to grow except within sight or sound of the Pacific ocean and so most people would not find it easy. Maybe it doesn't mind whether it's the east Pacific or the south or west, because I garden within 3kms as the seagull flies, and we certainly hear the ocean on stormy nights.

[partisangardener]

Hi Joakim thank you for your answer. My mixture might repel the beetle too. I am not sure but will keep record this time. My idea was that the vermin will smell out its victims. So why not camouflage my lilies as lavenders or peppermint
Next year I will start early with spraying and finish some when in September. I will report about it.
This year I had only once to kill some beetle larvae

Beautiful lily baby Lesley

[Paul T]

Having done a quick Google, I will expect L. maritimum to grow much taller than my present baby. That's fine. I recall reading, I think in an Archibald seedlist, that L. maritimum refuses to grow except within sight or sound of the Pacific ocean and so most people would not find it easy. Maybe it doesn't mind whether it's the east Pacific or the south or west, because I garden within 3kms as the seagull flies, and we certainly hear the ocean on stormy nights.

Lesley,

Don't write that too loud please.... I don't want my one seedling to hear/read it.  I'm 200km from the ocean and about 600m in altitude, so what the seedling doesn't know won't hurt it.    Of course you realise that now that this has all been said it will drop dead within the next week. 

[Ray]

Some of my Lilium seedlings flower now.A mix of Asiatic and OT.bye Ray

[Arykana]

Don't write that too loud please.... I don't want my one seedling to hear/read it.  I'm 200km from the ocean and about 600m in altitude, so what the seedling doesn't know won't hurt it.    Of course you realise that now that this has all been said it will drop dead within the next week. 

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paul!!!! you made my day so good!!!!!!!!!!!
I say same things sometimes Let see your unstudied lilies

[Paul T]

Ray,

That first one is a cracker.  I love that dark centre in contrast with the outside.  Very, very nice.

Erika (I think I have the right name?),

I'm pleased to report that the maritimum is still alive, despite my forecasting it's instant demise after we discussed it's growing requirements!