Lilium 2009

[johnw]

A lily I got from Chenyi as Lilium gloriosoides to replace an earlier correct one which I thought had died but is coming again.

Tony     - I smell Lilium sargentiae in its blood but admittedly difficult to tell; sargentiae leaves here circa 24cm long.  Here is a sargentiae that we grow, collected by Jens Nielsen (NW Yunanan as I recall) and selected by a Danish friend.  It is very tall brute of a thing. Bulbils aplenty here.

johnw

[Sinchets]

Lol. I'm trying to remember which thread it was, where we had the discussion of ChenYi Lilium and how just about anything could end up being L.sargentiae. Especially if it is true that 'sources' of L.gloriosoides have 'dried up' out there!

[Tony Willis]

John mine does look like sargentiae but it is quite dwarf,50cms tall and leaves about 5cms long and does not have any bulbils.I have looked at the picture in Philips and Rix 'Bulbs' and apart from the bulbils it corresponds quite well.

It is a bit disappointing as I much prefer the speciosum types to the trumpets but if the gloriosoides recovers I will have both.

[Sinchets]

How big was the bulb, Tony? Ours took a couple of years to get to 2m and didn't have bulbils straight away.

[Tony Willis]

I got it in Jan 03 and it flowered last year for the first time. The bulb was about 4cms in diameter when it arrived. I have a real problem with lilies in that quite often they make no above ground growth because they are eaten by slugs as they are emerging.This does tend to set them back a bit.

[ichristie]

Hi, please help with this lost lable Lilium grown from seed, it is nearly 5 ft in height and has been flowering for a week or so no scent. cheers Ian the Christie kind

[Paul T]

Ian,

Beautiful flowers, and cracker of a colour.  I'm assuming some form of Martagon?  Wish I was growing it here.... a positive ray of sunshine by the look of it.  Good flower count too I think. Good luck with IDing.

[ArneM]

Ian,

Could it be L. hansonii or the hybrid of it, L. x marhan?

[Sinchets]

I got it in Jan 03 and it flowered last year for the first time. The bulb was about 4cms in diameter when it arrived. I have a real problem with lilies in that quite often they make no above ground growth because they are eaten by slugs as they are emerging.This does tend to set them back a bit.

That does seem quite a small bulb. It would be interesting to hear how it develops next year.

[gote]

Hi, please help with this lost lable Lilium grown from seed, it is nearly 5 ft in height and has been flowering for a week or so no scent. cheers Ian the Christie kind

Looks like a martagon-hansonii hybrid to me. A good one. It does not have the hansonii buds otherwise i would have guessed hansonii var.
Göte

[gote]

John mine does look like sargentiae but it is quite dwarf,50cms tall and leaves about 5cms long and does not have any bulbils.I have looked at the picture in Philips and Rix 'Bulbs' and apart from the bulbils it corresponds quite well.

What about brownii? It is quite common in China and has no bulbils.
There are a number of trumpets to choose between in China.
Try 'Flora of China' on the net.
Göte

[Rogan]

...hansonii var. Göte? Never heard of this one before   

Now seriously - are there any green-flowered Lilium hybrids around at all? The reason why I'm asking is that there are quite a few species which have green as the dominant colour in the flower, and someone must surely have tried to create a green hybrid?

[gote]

...hansonii var. Göte? Never heard of this one before   

Now seriously - are there any green-flowered Lilium hybrids around at all? The reason why I'm asking is that there are quite a few species which have green as the dominant colour in the flower, and someone must surely have tried to create a green hybrid?

Hansonii Varietas "Incognitum". I am influenced by the way a certain Chinese names odd plants.
Did you read 'vir'??
There are some with a certain greenish tinge. deGraff had 'Green Dragon' and 'Green Magic'on the market fifty years ago. Some of the nepalense and that ilk are quite greenish. i have NOT doctored the picture here posted.
Göte

[ArneM]

Great, Göte! The second one reminds me of a green lijiangense.

[Martin Baxendale]

I grew Green Dragon and Green Magic many years ago. Green Dragon was a clone and Green Magic a strain, I think derived from Green Dragon, and they were superb garden lilies. Nothing much like them available now unfortunately. I think bred from L. leucanthum. Black Dragon was even more stunning, bred from L. leucanthum centifolium. I'd love to be able to buy such lilies again now.