Lilium 2009

[Ragged Robin]

A lovely looking plant, Gote, the shape of the flower and the way it hangs is so refined - pity no seed pods - can you grow it true from bulbils or scales?

[gote]

A lovely looking plant, Gote, the shape of the flower and the way it hangs is so refined - pity no seed pods - can you grow it true from bulbils or scales?

This is a group of plants grown from the side bulbs that form in the ground around the stem bases. I am sure it can be scaled and seed might be available on the RHS lily group seed exchange. If you let me have your snail mail address i might (not sure) be able to find a small bulb for you.
Cheers
Göte

[Ragged Robin]

Thanks for the offer - if and when will give you info as it snail mail in UK - Swiss snails just eat my plants leaving a PM 

[David Pilling]

Lilium rosthornii was available from the SRGC SeedEx 2008/2009.

[David Pilling]

By the way, if anyone wants to play the philippinense/formosanum game (see above), private message me your address and I'll send you a packet of seeds of both.

Sown now, and perhaps kept warm through Winter you'd probably have flowers by this time in 2010.

[Lesley Cox]

The thing is - L. formosanum var. pricei as I have had it for years, is highly scented and has brown pollen, which, if we're to believe the lilium website, would make it L. philippinense var. pricei.

[fermi de Sousa]

Lilium rosthornii was available from the SRGC SeedEx 2008/2009.

I sowed some of that seed and a little hoop of green emerged on the weekend! Is this lilium epigeal?
cheers
fermi

[rob krejzl]

Is this lilium epigeal?

Yes.

[fermi de Sousa]

Lilium lechtlini is very rare and a misnomer.
The true species is Lilium maximoviczii = L pseudotigrinum that one grows in China Korea and Japan - perhaps also eastern Russia. Lechtlinii is a yellow sport that grows wild in a very limited location in Japan. Several of the oreange-red lilies like lancifolium, henryii, pumilum and concolor have yellow sports.
The yellow one appeared in a consignement of other bulbs and unfortunately the description and name was published before the description of the orange one.
Lechtlinii is supposed to be difficult and very rare also in cultivation but someone started selling some kind (-s?) of yellow asiatic hybrids under the name lechtlinii. Since lechlinii is very rare it would fetch a higher price so the temptation is obvious.
Cheers
Göte   

Hi Gote,
Marcus Harvey assures me that he has the authentic L. leichtlinii originally grown from seed from Japan! You can see a pic on his website:http://www.hillviewrareplants.com/WinterCatalogues/Liliums.html
I'm not sure if there are still stock left but you can ask him.
cheers
fermi

[gote]

Hi Gote,
Marcus Harvey assures me that he has the authentic L. leichtlinii originally grown from seed from Japan! You can see a pic on his website:http://www.hillviewrareplants.com/WinterCatalogues/Liliums.html
I'm not sure if there are still stock left but you can ask him.
cheers
fermi
[/quote]
Thank you for the tip, He has a very good collection. However, I have some seedlings from a reliable seed source so at the moment, I hope for the best.
Cheers
Göte

[David Pilling]

Lilium rosthornii was available from the SRGC SeedEx 2008/2009.

I sowed some of that seed and a little hoop of green emerged on the weekend! Is this lilium epigeal?

I also had some of the SRGC seed, it took around three months to germinate.

Darm Crook says:

"IMMEDIATE EPIGEAL GERMINATION
22 to 60 days. L. rosthornii seeds will germinate faster if exposed to light, however, during their first year the seeds that are not exposed to light once germinated will out grow those that were germinated by being exposed to light. L. rosthornii seeds need more  moisture then the average immediate epigeal seed to germinate well.
"

[fermi de Sousa]

Thanks, David.
Only one "hoop" so far but I'll keep the pot watered over the next few months in case more germinate.
cheers
fermi

[vanozzi]

Hans--your Lilium gloriosoides is just magnificent.It's the Holy Grail !! I have 10 seeds in a baggie that A friend shared with me --but no sign of germination after 3 months of warm treatment  . I hope you manage to get seed set and also freeze the rest of your pollen for other hybridizing.I'm not sure if gloriosoides is self fertile or not? Good luck !!

I am talking without knowledge about it whatsoever but since the "true glorisoides" is fairly frost hardy - yes even here in Sweden - it might need a few months at low temperatures after the warm time. If it has not rotted there is still hope.
Göte

Gote..I include some perlite in the mix going into the baggies (zip lock plastic sandwich bags) for my hypogeal seed, which I think works well.The only problem is when you only have a few seeds and in this case 10, and they had changed hands quite a few times, so no longer fresh and not stored all the time in the fridge, it's difficult to see if even one has germinated.The little bulb is camouflaged by the perlite.My baggies are usually in the lounge room (of course where else would you put them) and I do soak the seed also. Within 8 weeks I can see what is growing or not and then a further 4 weeks  until they all spend 12 weeks in the fridge before planting out.This is my first time with gloriosoides, but I've noticed a lot of speciosums don't need any vernalization.I also don't know the ''best'' temperature for germination of gloriosoides.I have been told that Alexandrae germinates best at 5c.I don't have that species, nor have I had seed to try. I guess my lounge-room would be about 18c.My gloriosoides baggie has now had almost 4 months warm period and no sign of joy, so after I post this, it's going into the fridge for 3 months and then whether I see any sign of life or not, the lot will go into a pot and just in case, I'll have a word with St. Jude.

[gote]

According to flora of China, L gloriosoides is supposed to come from relatively warm parts of China. However the coldest province from which it is recorded has a January temperature fluctuating around zero C. The Chinese flora is still not all that well known (or at least published so it could be possible that it can be found in even colder areas.
Alexandrae comes as far as I remember from the Rikyo island which are considerably warmer in the winter.
The other two "speciosum-lilies" come from Taiwan and Japan. Both countries have very mild climate.
Gloriosoides is the mainland (=not maritime climate) lily of those mentioned and could well be the only one that requires vernalisation.
I sincerely wish you good luck with these seeds
Göte
   

[Thomas Huber]

A question to the lily experts:
I ordered the following:
Lilium amoenum
Lilium lophopherum
Lilium regale
Later I found, that these are told to be not fully hardy outside. Can anybody confirm this or
do you have other experiences? If better grown in a pot, which growing medium: moist or dry,
good drainage needed....?