Narcissus x ubriquense

[Gerry Webster]

In her new list, Rannveig Wallis ('Buried Treasure') lists a plant under this name The name is  new to me, not in Blanchard & nothing turns up on Google. It is described as looking "identical to a bright yellow N. triandrus although reputedly a hybrid". On the basis of the name, I assume it is of wild origin from the vicinity of the S. Spanish town of Ubrique but I would be interested if anyone has any further information. 

[Maggi Young]

This is as much as I know, Gerry;
× ubriquensis M.Salmon, in Monocot Nursery Plant List 2001 (parentage: N. fernandesii [as var. cordubensis] × N. triandrus [as subsp. pallidulus]) = N. × incurvicervicus

[Gerry Webster]

Many thanks Maggi. Rannveig's description does make it sound like what I know as N. × incurvicervicus. Odd she doesn't mention this.

Edit: I've just found Mike Salmon's 2001 plant list. His - rather expensive - plant was indeed collected near Ubrique. I presume it was expensive because, according to Rannveig, the plant is sterile.
According to the Kew checklist N. × incurvicervicus is a currently accepted name; there is no mention of N. x ubriquense (or ubriquensis).

[tonyg]

Here is a picture taken at an AGS show in 2007 of a plant I have recorded as N triandrus x fernandesii.  I recall that this was a Wallis plant, they exhibited several nice narcissus that day, one was N x ubriquensis but I have no pics labelled that way

[Gerry Webster]

Thanks for the pic Tony. That is a very attractive Narcisssus. I've ordered a bulb of "N x ubriquense" from Rannveig so, hopefully, I'll eventually see it in the flesh.

[Martin Baxendale]

Here is a picture taken at an AGS show in 2007 of a plant I have recorded as N triandrus x fernandesii.  I recall that this was a Wallis plant, they exhibited several nice narcissus that day, one was N x ubriquensis but I have no pics labelled that way

Tony, I think this is probably the cross that they say they are registering as Narcissus 'Llaeth', featured in their new list as "Narcissus triandrus x fernandesii".

[David Nicholson]

Listed in Kurt Vickery's 2012 List.

Shown as Narcissus x incurvicervicus on Daffseek

http://daffseek.org/query/query-detail.php?value1=N.%20x%20incurvicervicus&lastpage=2&which=hist4&listrow=2&

[Gerry Webster]

Thanks for the pic Tony. That is a very attractive Narcisssus. I've ordered a bulb of "N x ubriquense" from Rannveig so, hopefully, I'll eventually see it in the flesh.

I'm still waiting for a flower, though it has multiplied. I'm uncertain as to  how to grow it - as a jonquil or as a triandrus (not that I can keep the latter longer than a year!)

[Maggi Young]

Hi Folks, Kurt Vickery ( who points out he is not a professional botanist) (probably an advantage in my book!) has been in touch to cast a little light on the reasons for his use of the name.

" I see there is a bit of a waggle going on about N ubriqensis MS434/1 I don't have exact details to hand
but it is a natural hybrid between N cordubensis (Mike's collection of cordubensis is MS434), which  (and therefore because)  Mike S and others consider it a distinct species from fernandesii  with whatever the local form of triandrus is, I know he (and I) grow Nx incurvicervicus SS1O6 separately:  This I believe is N fernandesii x N t var cernuus"

Hope that helps!
Maggi

 

[Gerry Webster]

I'm still waiting for a flower, though it has multiplied. I'm uncertain as to  how to grow it - as a jonquil or as a triandrus (not that I can keep the latter longer than a year!)

My original single bulb has split into 3 but each of these has further split into innumerable tiny bulblets. I presume this accounts for the absence of flowers. I have some new bulbs from Kurt Vickery; it will be interesting to see how these behave.

[annew]

Not sure if it'll help, but this is what I have as N x incurvicervicus, from Kath Dryden.

[Gerry Webster]

Very attractive Anne. How do you grow these? Warm, dry summer?

[annew]

Yes, Gerry, just the same as all the other narcissi.

[Gerry Webster]

Thanks Anne. Maybe N. x ubriquense is just 'miffy'?