delosperma & aizoaceae

[Great Moravian]

Interesting. The receptacles of the nuggetoid viewed about 400 times
whereas the receptacles of ashtonii and deleeuwiae
about 12 times, as other pictures.

[Maggi Young]

I see no problem in having both hardy and non-hardy species here. There is similar breadth in other threads.

[Martin Tversted]

I have had around 350 forms of mesembs taking at least 1 winter in a danish unheated greenhouse. Im not sure where the restrictions are. A lot of Trichos take at least -7C on occation as the majority of summer growing mesembs and many winter growers.

Martin

[alpines]

I see no problem in having both hardy and non-hardy species here. There is similar breadth in other threads.

I agree completely with Maggi. What may not be hardy to some, may be completely hardy to others. Who determines hardiness for my location? And what has hardiness in England got to do with anything? Cornwall and Newcastle are as different as night and day as far as hardiness goes. If it isn't broken, don't fix it !

[Great Moravian]

Capsules on one nuggetoid plant, hexamerous, heptamerous and octomerous.
Photographed for you by Marek Chaloupka.

[Peter II]

Bergeranthus artus
Bergeranthus soll in unseren Breiten auch winterhart sein. Ich habe es aber noch nicht versucht.

[Great Moravian]

Bergeranthus artus
Bergeranthus soll in unseren Breiten auch winterhart sein. Ich habe es aber noch nicht versucht.

Bergeranthus jamesii is not hardy in Brno.

[iann]

I always struggle to tell D. bosseranum and D. napiforme apart.  Similar roots, similar leaves, similar tiny white self-fertile flowers, different islands in the Indian Ocean

No problem with Delosperma flowers here, just only on sunny days.  D. lydenbergense is flowering away today, as are all the self-sown D. cooperi types in the garden.  And of course D. aberdeenense which never seems to stop.  D. bosseranum (and D. napiforme) are not hardy outdoors here, but various Bergeranthus are just about in normal winters.  I still have a Hereroa glenensis (ex Bergeranthus glenensis) in the garden even after the last two horrendous winters.

[Maggi Young]

Gentleman, I must ask Josef and Peter to agree to disagree because the tone of the comments is becoming rather antagonistic and this is not enjoyed by the other readers.

Words like attack  are not suitable here.

I have removed some rather "heated" posts.

[alpines]

There is so much valuable information in this thread, both technical and horticultural. It would be such a pity if either Josef or Peter stopped posting because of their disagreements on certain issues. But Maggi is correct guys. Lighten up a little and enjoy the forum. I have learned a lot from the postings of both of you, and where there's botany, there will always be conflicts of opinion......just keep them in perspective.....and we'll all enjoy what you have to say.

[Peter II]

OK. Und bitte zeigt fleißig eure Mesembs. 

[Peter II]

Delosperma ashtonii
Da die bei dieser Pflanze fünf Kapselfächer haben, scheint sie echt zu sein. Wobei man bei Delosperma nie ganz sicher sein kann.
Auf dem Foto sind sehr schön alle Stadien der Blüte zu sehen.

Attempted edit by maggi: As the capsule of this plant has five segments, it seems to be genuine.  We can never be quite sure with Delosperma.  In the photo it's very nice to see all stages of bloom.

[Peter II]

I always struggle to tell D. bosseranum and D. napiforme apart.  Similar roots, similar leaves, similar tiny white self-fertile flowers, different islands in the Indian Ocean

Iann,

die beiden Arten zu unterscheiden ist wirklich das nicht möglich. Ich gehe immer nach der Größe der Blüte. Das ist aber kein wirkliches merkmal zur Unterscheidung.
Es wird vermutet, dass das D. bosseranum nur eine verschlepptes D. napiforme ist.

Attempted edit by maggi: It is really not possible to distinguish the two species. I always go by the size of the flower. But this is not a real feature for distinction.
It is believed that the D. bosseranum  is only an displaced form of D. napiforme

[Peter II]

Hi Maggy,
thanks for the translation. I will from now trying to write here in english. Hopefully, that's fine.

[Maggi Young]

Peter, thank you... I think you will mange quite well.