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Pyrolirion tubiflorum var. aureum
« on: August 26, 2009, 06:36:02 PM »
A friend of mine gave me this bulbs 2 months ago, from Chile, as Rhodophiala bagnoldii.
It was flowering some days ago, looking strange and a french Amaryllidaceae specialist told me that it could be Pyrolirion...
Does somebody have any advice ??

« Last Edit: September 08, 2009, 06:18:30 PM by BULBISSIME »
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2009, 07:04:53 PM »
Hello Fred,
cannot tell you if your plant is Pyrolirion - I only can confirm your plant is not Rhodophiala bagnoldii - here a (very bad :-[) picture how it should look like. ;)
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2009, 07:50:08 PM »
Hello Fred,
cannot tell you if your plant is Pyrolirion - I only can confirm your plant is not Rhodophiala bagnoldii - here a (very bad :-[) picture how it should look like. ;)

Oh dear, this could get messy.

Hans your Rhodophiala bagnoldii looks like my R. auracana from JJA cw seeds.

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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2009, 09:18:26 PM »
is strange the flower turned towards over
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2009, 02:12:02 AM »
Fred,

A single flower pointing straight upwards sounds very strange for a Rhodophiala, as Alessandro just pointed out.  How big is the actual flower?  It looks absolutely massive in the pic, but that could just be a perspective issue.  Such a beautiful gold colour to it!!  Very striking.
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2009, 03:29:43 AM »
Knowing absolutely nothing about and never having seen one live I'd guess it was a Zephyranthes.

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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2009, 04:27:05 AM »
John,

It does have the Zeph/Habranthus look to it, but still doesn't seem quite right for that either. It seems so large for that, but hard to tell from a pic.
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2009, 05:53:50 AM »
Knowing absolutely nothing about and never having seen one live I'd guess it was a Zephyranthes.

johnw
I think Pyrolirion "was once" a Zephyranthes.

This is possibly Pyrolirion aurea.
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2009, 11:12:06 AM »
Oh dear, this could get messy.

Hans your Rhodophiala bagnoldii looks like my R. auracana from JJA cw seeds.

johnw

Hello John, you are right - Rhodophiala is a very tricky genus and difficult to identify (do not have any good key) - the differences seem to be very small often - R. bagnoldii grows in the coastal, more desertic zones of northern Chile (3.+ 4. Region) in low altitudes and reaches about 30 cm while R. auracana is a higher altitude plant (1000 -2000m) from the 8. + 9. Region and has plenty of rainfall  - it is  a larger plant up 70 + cm.
Near Concepcion (8. Region) I found once some other, yellow flowering plants - much smaller than R. araucana and in an altitude of maybe 10m. Until now I do not know which species it was... ::)
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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2009, 12:24:50 PM »
Hans. - My auracana was grown from 1995 JJA seed seed. I will measure the leaves but am almost certain they are no more than 12 cm.

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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2009, 12:28:30 PM »
John,

It does have the Zeph/Habranthus look to it, but still doesn't seem quite right for that either. It seems so large for that, but hard to tell from a pic.

If those pavers are 10cm across then the flowers are huge.

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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2009, 09:03:31 PM »
Hi.
It looks a Pyrolirion. It is typical of this genus the style 3-branched, each branch with a spatulate stygma, in Zephyranthes the style is not branched and the stygma is trifid to capitate. In Rhodophiala the leaves are flat and the spathe bracts are fused on one side.

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Re: Rhodophiala or Pyrolirion ??
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2009, 06:17:23 PM »
a second plant is flowering now, so here are some more pics !

With the spatulate stigma...





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Re: Pyrolirion tubiflorum var. aureum
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2009, 07:05:23 PM »
Great pictures Fred and a lovely plant.
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Re: Pyrolirion tubiflorum var. aureum
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2009, 07:15:10 PM »
beautiful photos
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