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Alessandro.marinello
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Vagaria olivieri
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today in flower, Vagaria olivieri, endemic of Morocco
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Padova N-E Italy climate zone 8
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September 12, 2009, 09:51:49 PM »
Beautiful, Alessandro, the green vein on the underside of each petal is lovely looking from the side or top...can you tell us more about this plant?
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September 13, 2009, 02:00:26 AM »
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Vagaria is a small genus that belongs to the Amaryllidaceae, comprises two sp. V. olivieri(Morocco) and V. parviflora(Israel,Syria and Lebanese), similar to Pancratium, but one differs for the crown that encloses the stames, that they are free, while in Pancratium the stames they are attacked the petals
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September 13, 2009, 10:52:00 AM »
Thanks Alessandro for your explanation - looking at plants, after having been a Member of the Forum this year, I feel I can enjoy plants so much more knowing a little about their habitat, growth patterns, background and history
They obviously love the heat from the places in which they grow.
Have just been into Google to find out more about this sweet flower and came across another posting last year from Alberto:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2518.0
Pity it doesn't like the alpine cold too!
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Many news of this genus is not had, perhaps it knows it to Oron and it could say more. Certainly that this species does not tolerate the freezing, but in the alpine zones there are more favorable conditions of humid plains, also in presence of temperatures many inferiors to the zero
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September 25, 2009, 08:27:30 PM »
Wellit took a while, but finally Vagaria olivieri is flowering here too :-)
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Simon
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Highest summer (shade) temp 35C.
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September 25, 2009, 08:57:13 PM »
There are so many plants I'd love to grow here in Dunblane, but the vagaries of the weather prevent much success.
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Anthony Darby, Auckland, New Zealand.
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September 25, 2009, 09:05:31 PM »
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David Nicholson
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September 25, 2009, 09:06:51 PM »
Just finished banging my head against the wall. It grew for us in Britain, but flowers more freely here.
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Simon
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September 25, 2009, 11:11:50 PM »
In my wanderings around Dunblane with Heidi, many of the rhododendrons think it is spring and are flowering again. I don't blame them July and August were like winter. They say the difference between a Scottish summer and a Scottish winter is the temperature of the rain. Don't you believe it! Rain is always bloody cold here!
As an aside, the re-branded Dunblane Hydro Hotel (it's now called "Double tree", which sounds like a Jamaican soft drink!
) had a grand opening yesterday. It is usually included in my wanderings, but the sheltered nature of the setting, with Holme Hill on one side and Knockmafuddy Wood on the other, means that the large rhododendrons (mostly
ponticum
) aren't affected.
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Anthony Darby, Auckland, New Zealand.
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Paul T
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September 28, 2009, 01:15:37 AM »
Yet another genus I'd never heard of. Thanks all!
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Paul T.
Canberra, Australia.
Min winter temp -8 or -9°C. Max summer temp 40°C. Thankfully, maybe once or twice a year only.
Miriam
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September 28, 2009, 07:28:16 PM »
Very nice!
Today evening Pancratium parviflorum (Vagaria) started to flower. Because of the dark, I had to use a flashlight to take this picture.
It has beautiful leaves with a white stripe in the middle. The leaves appear after the flowers.
Tomorrow I will take more clear photos in the sunlight.
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Alessandro.marinello
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September 28, 2009, 08:47:06 PM »
Miriam
lovely, this species is native of Israel and Syria ?
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Miriam
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September 28, 2009, 09:53:46 PM »
Buona sera Alessandro (just came back from a trip in your beautiful country),
It is native to Israel and Lebanon, about Syria- probably but I am not sure. There is also a population in N. Sinai (Egypt).
It grows mainly between rocks in half-shade.
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Miriam
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September 29, 2009, 10:07:14 AM »
A picture from today.
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