Crocus to identify? Post them here....

[mark smyth]

Thanks again!

[Sinchets]

Re Crocus chrysanthus: The wild populations we have seen here had stigmas, which were red or orange (the orange being the same colour as the rest of the flower). Is it possible that 'Milea' is just a selection from a wild population with the same variation? The bought Crocus chrysanthus I brought with me to Bulgaria flowered in the same week- which is also the same week as our nearest local wild populations of C.chrysanthus flowered. Populations further south in Bulgaria have just about finished flowering.
Thanks Tony G- for your help with my Crocus id. Has anyone else grown C.biflorus pulchricolor from Janis? I am wondering if this is what I have. I bought this the season before our vole attack and as such never saw it flower. If this is the id, then it must have regenerated from scraps left in a vole run under its current position. Attached pic shows the closed flowers.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Can't help with the ID Simon, but this is a stunning dark beauty !!

[Armin]

Simon,
can't help with the ID - but very beautiful. Would be interested to see it when open.

Reg. Milea: this nice form of C. chrsanthus was found on Katara-pass near Milea, height 1450m, in N Pindhos mountains, central Greece. Intro 1987. I don't know if it was a selection or all wild population show the same variation of style.

[Sinchets]

Thanks Luc and Armin- I posted a pic of the open flowers a few pages back- but here it is again.
Thanks for the Milea info as well Armin.

[Armin]

Simon,
thanks - now I'm back on track.
It does not match any C. chrsanthus/biflorus cv. I know. But very lovely.
In case of excess seed I would be interested.

[I.S.]

Mark, your first plant is clearly 'Snowbunting' - see the yellow groundcolour of the outer petals and the long stripes.
White Beatuy has pure white groundcolour and much shorter stripes.

The second one isn't a cultivar - at least I don't know of one looking like your plant. Perhaps it's a seedling.

Ibrahim, are you sure, the flavus with the short style are ssp dissectus?
This ssp is separated by its long, multiple devided style.

 Thomas,
If you can check on my second photo in the same clan one with short style the rest with much divided! but the leaves and size goes to subsp. dissectus.
 
 Simon on your biflorus I am with Tony G. it seems to be biflorus pulchricolor.

[Sinchets]

Thanks Ibrahim. Out of interest how many more leaves does flavus ssp dissectus have? Is it the leaves that are bigger in size or the plants? We have flavus flavus here which have a more dissected style than others, but only a few mm more- never to the same extent as flavus dissectus.

[Tony Willis]

Reg. Milea: this nice form of C. chrsanthus was found on Katara-pass near Milea, height 1450m, in N Pindhos mountains, central Greece. Intro 1987. I don't know if it was a selection or all wild population show the same variation of style.

I have looked at mine from the Katara Pass and it looks the same. I have also looked at them from Mt Falackro which is NE of there and they are a mixture of both the expanded yellow type and the more compact orange style. It looks like natural variation.

[Armin]

Many thanks Tony,
good to have forum members who have the knowledge of the place!

[Sinchets]

Also good to know that unless you need one from every mountain, there isn't really that much difference in the commercial forms of C.chrysanthus 

[Lesley Cox]

Simon, your lovely dark one looks a lot like what I bought as aerius, then was told it was biflorus pulchricolor but since, Thomas has assured me is biflorus alexandri. What do you think? Ignore the filename. I took the picture before Thomas had corrected it. when closed, it is quite as dark as yours. No yellow in the throat and it has a bright red style.

[Lesley Cox]

No, forget it. Yours has yellow in the throat.

[tonyg]

Simon, your lovely dark one looks a lot like what I bought as aerius, then was told it was biflorus pulchricolor but since, Thomas has assured me is biflorus alexandri. What do you think? Ignore the filename. I took the picture before Thomas had corrected it. when closed, it is quite as dark as yours. No yellow in the throat and it has a bright red style.

Lesley that is a lovely thing.  C biflorus pulchricolor has apparently been offered in place of the much rarer C aerius in the trade at one time.  The lack of a yellow throat makes your plants something different.  Seems likely that Thomas has it right ... unless it is a hybrid of cultivation. 

[I.S.]

Thanks Ibrahim. Out of interest how many more leaves does flavus ssp dissectus have? Is it the leaves that are bigger in size or the plants? We have flavus flavus here which have a more dissected style than others, but only a few mm more- never to the same extent as flavus dissectus.

   Simon, subsp. dissectus has smaller flowers, thiny leaves and longer much divided style while subsp. flavus has quite big flowers and wider leaves and very short style.
   Next days I was in Muğla province I have seen lots of crocus but I was not so luky to make pictures. On the wat to Göktepe I have seen lots C. gargaricus, C. chrysantus, C. fleischeri and C. biflorus nubigena!!! only in one location.