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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #600 on: March 05, 2012, 05:00:10 PM »
From what I can see I would say crocus vernus ssp vernus.  The purple tube is common in white forms.  It is too big for ssp albiflorus.

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #601 on: March 05, 2012, 06:39:37 PM »
From what I can see I would say crocus vernus ssp vernus.  The purple tube is common in white forms.  It is too big for ssp albiflorus.

Thank you Tony.

Now I will have to search for a source of this white vernus ssp vernus. It is to lovely to not have it in my garden :-).

Learning everyday. A white vernus not being an albiflorus? I should start reading more about Crocus without becoming a Croconut. Not that it is bad, but I became a Galantophile this year without knowing it. That might happen with Crocus too.

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« Reply #602 on: March 08, 2012, 03:12:16 AM »
Hi This is the first flowering of NARGS 2008 #3207 labelled as C. laevigatus ex. White Mountains, Crete.  it is very different from all the other C. laevigatus that i have.  one corm sent up a bloom last fall and now with a few warm days, several more blooms have appeared in March.

does this plant look correctly identified?  

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« Reply #603 on: March 08, 2012, 03:28:28 PM »
I received this crocus as C. ancyrensis from a "specialist" bulb seller in USA however, the flower color is definitely incorrect. does anyone have an idea on the correct identification?

my guess is Crocus tommasinianus

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #604 on: March 08, 2012, 03:47:12 PM »
I received this crocus as C. ancyrensis from a "specialist" bulb seller in USA however, the flower color is definitely incorrect. does anyone have an idea on the correct identification?

my guess is Crocus tommasinianus

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I think you're right.
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« Reply #605 on: March 08, 2012, 04:24:30 PM »
 To my eye,  both Rimmer's wrong"ancyrensis" and his previous post are both Crocus vernus   :-\

I always think of "tommies" as being rather shorter and more  delicate in their flowers than the more rounded petals and robust form of vernus ...... ???
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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #606 on: March 08, 2012, 04:59:34 PM »
I am no good at spring crocus identification, especially from photos, but - the supposed C. laevigatus -  some form of C. sieberi?
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« Reply #607 on: March 08, 2012, 05:11:24 PM »
The not-ancyrensis photos would be easier to id if we had a side-shot as well as. To me they look like a commercial form of tommasinianus such as Whitewell Purple or Ruby Giant.
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« Reply #608 on: March 08, 2012, 05:12:55 PM »
Don't know what this web page is and by whom, but they seem to know their stuff, judging by the names on the pictures. Agree with Gerry though, incredibly hard from pictures. But check out the C.laevigatus on this site. Looks like yours?

http://www.marksgardenplants.com/crocus2.htm

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #609 on: March 08, 2012, 05:23:44 PM »
I am no good at spring crocus identification, especially from photos, but - the supposed C. laevigatus -  some form of C. sieberi?

 Hmmm.... yellow throat... yes, I wasn't thinking about that ... and the style is more sieberi, too.
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« Reply #610 on: March 08, 2012, 07:24:50 PM »
The not-ancyrensis photos would be easier to id if we had a side-shot as well as. To me they look like a commercial form of tommasinianus such as Whitewell Purple or Ruby Giant.

Sorry for the poor photo, today was blustery cold and the blooms are all closed up.
From this photo they look like C. tommasinianus 'pictus'  which was also offered by that USA "specialist" source.

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« Reply #611 on: March 08, 2012, 09:52:06 PM »
Hi This is the first flowering of NARGS 2008 #3207 labelled as C. laevigatus ex. White Mountains, Crete.  it is very different from all the other C. laevigatus that i have.  one corm sent up a bloom last fall and now with a few warm days, several more blooms have appeared in March.
does this plant look correctly identified?  
Thank you
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These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi.  Crete, mountains, springtime flowering.   A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat.  Pergaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed?  Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms.  C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics.  C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.

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« Reply #612 on: March 08, 2012, 09:59:02 PM »
I received this crocus as C. ancyrensis from a "specialist" bulb seller in USA however, the flower color is definitely incorrect. does anyone have an idea on the correct identification?
my guess is Crocus tommasinianus
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Good guess!  It could be Pictus, as you suggest in another post. 
The narrow leaves lead me to be fairly sure it is C tommasinianus rather than C vernus.

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« Reply #613 on: March 08, 2012, 10:23:53 PM »
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The narrow leaves lead me to be fairly sure it is C tommasinianus rather than C vernus.


Note to self: Margaret,pay more attention and do not allow yourself to be seduced so easily by voluptous flowers  ::)
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« Reply #614 on: March 08, 2012, 11:15:08 PM »
These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi.  Crete, mountains, springtime flowering.   A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat.  Pergaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed?  Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms.  C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics.  C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.

here are some poor photos of this seed pot taken last November 6, 2011. so possibly a mixed seed lot.
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