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Rimmer de Vries

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #615 on: March 08, 2012, 11:48:11 PM »
A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus

I received the following corm last fall as C laevigatus and it began to emerge in November-December but then went on vacation until late February in my frame and now is just finished flowering


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« Reply #616 on: March 09, 2012, 12:01:04 AM »
These have been confusing to me.  grown from Archibald seed lot 034.1250 Crocus biflorus ssp. isuaricus , but the two are very different.

does anyone have any ideas? they peaked bloomed in my frame in February
my frame is in a sunny position protected with 3.5 mil sheet of plastic and open to weather most of the time except when temp falls well below freezing.

Thank you

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #617 on: March 09, 2012, 01:28:52 AM »
These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi.  Crete, mountains, springtime flowering.   A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat.  Perhaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed?  Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms.  C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics.  C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.

Thank you, it is good to know that this is Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi.  per your description in the Crocus pages entry I have had it in the wrong place for these 4 years.  It has been in a cold damp part of my frame along with the bulbs that receive water all summer, not in the hot dry part.  The Crocus in question is the small white bloom at the far right in the bulb frame.
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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #618 on: March 09, 2012, 07:41:32 AM »
These have been confusing to me.  grown from Archibald seed lot 034.1250 Crocus biflorus ssp. isuaricus , but the two are very different.

This is the entry from Jim's catalogue in which he says it is variable in colour & markings
341.250 : Crocus biflorus subsp.isauricus
Turkey, Antalya, Irmasan Geçidi North of Akseki. 1500m. Stony humus under Abies over limestone. (Spring-flowering race endemic to the W end of the Taurus. In particularly fine form here & variable in colour & markings. Usually lilac-blue with strong, purple feathering on the exterior. Attractive & satisfactory under glass in the UK.)
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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #619 on: March 09, 2012, 09:31:28 AM »
These, 100% sure, are crocus sieberi ssp sieberi.  Crete, mountains, springtime flowering.   A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus, also native to Crete but different, lower altitude habitat.  Pergaps a mixed batch of Cretan seed?  Good news is that they will be easy to separate by corms.  C sieberi has globose corms with netted tunics.  C leavigatus has corms with a pronounced pointy top half and hard, smooth corm tunics.
here are some poor photos of this seed pot taken last November 6, 2011. so possibly a mixed seed lot.
This is 100% Cretan Crocus laevigatus  :)

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« Reply #620 on: March 09, 2012, 09:33:22 AM »
These have been confusing to me.  grown from Archibald seed lot 034.1250 Crocus biflorus ssp. isuaricus , but the two are very different.
does anyone have any ideas? they peaked bloomed in my frame in February my frame is in a sunny position protected with 3.5 mil sheet of plastic and open to weather most of the time except when temp falls well below freezing.
Thank you
Rimmer
Diane is correct that this taxa (and many others) displays considerable variation.  What you show is typical.

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« Reply #621 on: March 09, 2012, 09:40:30 AM »
A flower last fall would likely have been C laevigatus
I received the following corm last fall as C laevigatus and it began to emerge in November-December but then went on vacation until late February in my frame and now is just finished flowering
Also 100% Crocus laevigatus.  This is one of the most variable, with many isolated island populations.  It can flower from October to March in the wild so this behaviour in yours is not unusual.  I'd guess maybe it was held up by a cold winter in your area?

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Re: Crocus to identify? Post them here....
« Reply #622 on: March 11, 2012, 10:46:48 PM »
Heres a better picture of the butter yellow I have shown before.


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« Reply #623 on: March 12, 2012, 02:42:54 PM »
Hi Guff,
the inside flower resembles on the first view 'Cream Beauty' (red trifid style, anthers with black tips) but outside tepal markings are not matching.
Maybe it is a nice hybrid?
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« Reply #624 on: March 12, 2012, 10:20:13 PM »
Armin thanks, it's a big flower. I keep forgetting to dig it up, and replant in some good soil.

Heres another that I found on the lower lot.

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« Reply #625 on: March 13, 2012, 09:10:14 AM »
Hi Guff,
it is often quite diffucult to try to identify crocus from pictures. ::)
Is it the same crocus as previous shown or another beauty?

Your new images appear totally different on my screen, much more deep yellow.
Looks not at all like a 'Cream Beauty' ??? Maybe 'E.A. Bowles'?

Do you have any idea where it (or both) came from?
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« Reply #626 on: March 13, 2012, 09:27:26 PM »
Armin they are two different plants. Been told that they were purchased 40+ years ago. One would think there would be more then one corm each over all those years, but being in clay soil they don't seem to multiply.

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« Reply #627 on: March 23, 2012, 08:22:42 PM »
Here is a deep red-purple crocus seedling that came up this week (late for all the crocuses in my seed frame) in a pot of hyacinthella seeds.
the bloom is smaller than any other crocus i have. it has the red purple color of C. vernus 'Michael's Purple' but it is smaller and bloomed several weeks later.

my guess is some form of Crocus minimus?

Thanks for your help

Rimmer in SE Michigan
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« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 11:47:28 PM by Rimmer de Vries »
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« Reply #628 on: March 23, 2012, 08:24:54 PM »
Rimmer, resized pictures would be better ;) but this is Crocus minimus, looks like the form called Bavella which has dark purple outer petals. ;)

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« Reply #629 on: March 23, 2012, 11:01:05 PM »
Haven't emptied the camera yet, but what's the name of the Crocus growing in the mountains straight above/behind Alanya?

 


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