Cyclamen hederifolium on Zakinthos

[art600]

Pat

You need to travel to Turkey and view the graecum around Kemer/Goynuk/Phaselis.  I agree hederifolium has greater variation in leaf shape than graecum - and it has the added advantage that it is hardy so more people can grow it, but for sheer beauty in the leaves give me graecum every time 

[Joakim B]

Pat to wet Your appetite there are two tails of the the graecum around Goynuk.
I have no opinion about who is best just that hederifolium is hardier.
This by Tony
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4506.15
and this by Arthur
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4511.15 maybe there is more to be seen ?

Just to wet the appetite for graecum from Goynuk.
I have spread the links with lovely hederifolium on Swedish pages so that they can see truly beautiful pictures of plants that can be grown in Sweden as well.
Kind regards
Joakim

[cycnich]

Pat

You need to travel to Turkey and view the graecum around Kemer/Goynuk/Phaselis.  I agree hederifolium has greater variation in leaf shape than graecum - and it has the added advantage that it is hardy so more people can grow it, but for sheer beauty in the leaves give me graecum every time 

As you know I have a greenhouse totally devoted to graecum around 200 plants but my interest in hederifolium has grown to the point I rate it as good as graecum but as you say much easier. I guess ssp candicum is still my desert island plant and that is unlikely to change.

[cycnich]

This is one of my better efforts of ssp candicum

[cycnich]

Just out of interest here are three of the herbarium sheets from Zakinthos, I think these show the leaf variation from the island quite well.

[Maggi Young]

What a super illustration of your point, Pat.
Very beautiful and glamorous as C. graecum leaves are with their patterns and velvety look, this variability in the hederifolium leaves is really exciting.... it's what I find so interesting, for sure.

[art600]

This is one of my better efforts of ssp candicum

I recognise the plant and I have long lusted after it 

[krisderaeymaeker]

Well, Kris, there is also Cyclamen graecum--leaves to rival ANY of the great cyclamens...

I am agree with that Carlo ,the first I ever met in the wild was purperascens .
The first I ever buy was hederifolium .The first I ever adore was graecum ....and it is still one off my favorites
But like other friends say ,the hederifolium-leaves has just a bit more variation in the shape of the leaves.
In Crete I met  some very nice graecum-leaves to on several occassions .So it is a difficult decision anyway.
In my glasshouse is not enough place because :I love to many plants and that is maybe another advantage for the hederifoliums .And another thing to say : in the past years , hederifolium became a plant of the gardencenter.Something very common and easy and not interesting....The hederifoliums of this world are  the underdog .And I am a fan of underdogs ,Pats pictures shows us that the graecums have a challenger again.     

This is one of my better efforts of ssp candicum

I think this is exactly what Carlo means?  This is really a challenger....

I send a few pictures of my hederifoliums that grows in our garden ....           

[Paul T]

Joakim,

Thanks for the pointer to those two topics with graecums.  The one I have commented in has some amazing leaves.  Never seen the like before, and I too love the graecums (although I don't have a "favourite" species from a leaf point of view, I just love nice leaves of whichever species they are!  )

[art600]

Kris

You have some very nice hederifolium leaves. 

Were these bought as plants selected for their good leaf colour and form, or did you grow a batch from seed and select out the best?

[krisderaeymaeker]

Kris

You have some very nice hederifolium leaves. 

Were these bought as plants selected for their good leaf colour and form, or did you grow a batch from seed and select out the best?

Arthur
The first two I bought ,number one is the result of a visit at Peter's nursery .
The second is from a Belgian nursery (Martine De Smedt)
The third one I grow from seed ...   
Together with my brother  I try to grow  each year some different species  from seed.
This is a good way to get some special forms and the first results of our effort you can see with number three. It is true , a rigorous selection have to be made and this is maybe the most difficult part......