Can someone ID this Erodium ?

[Paul T]

Helen,

The following are on the banned list....

Erodium carvifolium
Erodium castellanum
Erodium cazorlanum
Erodium manescaui
Erodium manescarvii
Erodium reichardii
Erodium trifolium

Erodium tordylioides is banned but still being evaluated.

And the following are allowed in....

Erodium botrys
Erodium cicutarium
Erodium corsicum
Erodium gruinum
Erodium guttatum
Erodium malacoides
Erodium moschatum
Erodium pelargoniflorum

So we could actually bring in seed of your little gem at the beginning.  Cracker of a flower.

[maggiepie]

Paul, I am surprised that Erodium reichardii is on the banned list, it is such a dainty little plant here.
Which reminds me I still have a piece of the white one in the garden, I better dig it up before it croaks and bring it in for winter.
Have you ordered your seed yet?
A little birdie told me that it is on the SRGC seedlist this year. No idea if it is the pink one from Morocco or the white one from the nursery in the UK.
Worth taking a chance though don't you think?

[Lesley Cox]

Paul, is there any indication of WHY those above are banned? I know that some are frowned upon here because the seed with its twisted pappus can get into and tangle, sheep's wool. None is specifically banned here and the last 3 on your banned list are permitted. The others are not mentioned but most likely because they haven't been evaluated and won't be unless someone applies for an assessment, not very likely. A dozen or so others are listed as permitted as well as manescavii, reichardii and trifolium. Chamaedryoides is permitted and is, of course, a synonym of reichardii.

[Paul T]

Lesley,

For the banned ones.....

Table 2: List of Prohibited Species. These species have been assessed as posing a high risk of becoming weeds in Australia and are prohibited entry by legislation.

From the icon database.

The E. tordylioides is ....

Table 3: List of species requiring further evaluation/assessment. These species are currently prohibited entry because insufficient information is available on their risk status.

That's all the information they give.

[Sinchets]

I am more surprised that some of the banned ones make good garden plants, while some of the allowed ones are common agricultural weeds.  Unless they are allowed as they are already agricultural weeds in Australia. I seem to remember a lot of annual Erodium on farms around Victoria.

[mark smyth]

I cant remember gettings seeds from my collection other than 'Real Logano'

[Lesley Cox]

Like God's Simon, the ways of MAF both in NZ and Australia are mysterious.

[Maggi Young]

I was searching for something quite  other and came upon an article in the Rock Garden, Number 110 from January 2003 ( pages 57 to 66) that might be of interest.... it is by Peter Smith and is titled "Erodium for the Rock Garden.

http://files.srgc.net/journals/vol_1%20to_113/110.pdf

[maggiepie]

Maggi, thanks muchly, am half way through the article, my wishlist has lengthened!!

 

[Maggi Young]

OOps, yes,  I now realise that the article will have that effect! 

[fermi de Sousa]

Like God's Simon, the ways of MAF both in NZ and Australia are mysterious.

Lesley,
some of them think they are gods already - no need to encourage them

Simon,
you're on the money - they see no point in banning something if it's already here, but E. reichardii is already here anyway, so I can't say this is always consistent!
cheers
fermi

[Lesley Cox]

What about E. chamaedryoides? Is that permitted? Because it and reichardii are the same thing, the latter the later and (presumably) correct name.

[Paul T]

Lesley,

My posting was the complete listing for Erodium in AQIS.  If it isn't on the list that means it hasn't been evaluated and therefore wouldn't be let through.

P.

[Lesley Cox]

That's very surprising. I'd bet it is in the garden of most Australian rock gardeners under probably the former name It's been grown here for at least 70 years; the delightful little double form of it is more recent but still a long time ago and the white form as well which came into NZ in the early 1980s as E. reichardii album. They're a very nice trio. Then there's 'Bishop's Form,' sometimes listed here as a form of this species but it is, in fact, a form of E. corsicum.

[mark smyth]

Maggi is the article available in word or pdf ?