Narcissus September - December 2009

[fermi de Sousa]

All my Hoop petticoat daffs have finished but I've been promised some of these which I photographed at Doug Bryce's place.

He got them as "Golden Dragon" and was told they are always late flowering, so I guess the ones I already have under that name may not be true!
cheers
fermi

[Paul T]

Fermi,

I have 'Golden Dragon' in flower here as well at the moment, although they got decimated by slugs so there isn't a photo.  Seems a little brighter a yellow than the serotinus, and perhaps a bit less robust in the flowers.

[Michael J Campbell]

Two early flowering Narcissus to start the season here.

Narcissus albidus albidus
Narcissus mesatlanticus   hyb                 

[Lesley Cox]

There can hardly be a day in the whole year when a Narcissus isn't in flower somewhere.

[Oron Peri]

Tony - Pretty little diffs!
Is the gazette smaller than 'normal' ones and does autumn flowering occur constantly?

Gerd

Gerd,

Here we have two variants of N. tazetta, the first is an autumnal that blooms just days after the first rain, usually end of October to end of November, growing in more rocky areas, in a way more slender, similar to the one Tony W. shown.
The other variant is the more robust, familiar type that blooms much later, February to March, mainly in low altitudes, often flooded fields.

Often the two variants grow at only a few hundred meters of distance from each other..

[Gerdk]

Gerd,
Here we have two variants of N. tazetta, the first is an autumnal that blooms just days after the first rain, usually end of October to end of November, growing in more rocky areas, in a way more slender, similar to the one Tony W. shown.
The other variant is the more robust, familiar type that blooms much later, February to March, mainly in low altitudes, often flooded fields.

Often the two variants grow at only a few hundred meters of distance from each other..

Oron, Thank you for this interesting information - it seems the two variants are in
need for separation. Aren't there any investigations concerning this topic?

Here progress of flowering of the autumnal daffodils was somewhat reduced by a cold spell - so only a few new pics.

1. + 2. Narcissus miniatus opening in a different color
3. Narcissus miniatus - two flowers per stem
4. Narcissus serotinus - the first one
5. +6. Narcissus x moronensis spec. nov.
          - which is a natural occuring cross between N. serotinus and
          Narcissus cavanillesii (humilis)
7. Narcissus x perezlarae (miniatus x cavanillesii) for  
    comparison

Gerd

[Anthony Darby]

Gerd, you are the man!

[David Nicholson]

Beautiful Gerd.

[Luc Gilgemyn]

Very beautiful Gerd !! Despite the cold ! 

[Paul T]

Gerd,

All these autumn flowering species and hybrids you show are really amazing.  Thanks so much for showing us.

[dominique]

Gerd
Very nice, thank you. Can you explain me (a novice !)  what is botanically the difference between serotinus and miniatus. Thank you
Dom

[Gerdk]

Thank you for the nice comments alltogether!

Gerd
Very nice, thank you. Can you explain me (a novice !)  what is botanically the difference between serotinus and miniatus. Thank you
Dom

Dominique,
Narcissus miniatus was separated from serotinus by Donnison-Morgan, Koopowitz and Zonneveld in 2005. N. serotinus occurs in North Africa, Portugal and the south-western parts of Spain, the other species was found in south-eastern and eastern Spain, Mallorca, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Israel, Lebanon?
In general N. miniatus is more robust than serotinus, the corona becames orange when aging (miniatus means golden) while the corona of serotinus is more or less yellow. Also the shape of the tube differs. Please have a look at the pics I have shown in this Forum - Bulbs General - Narcissus miniatus and others, Reply # 57 and 58 - Oct. 21, 2008   http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=2496.msg59351#msg59351

Gerd

[Ragged Robin]

Lovely N albidus, Michael - altogether a gorgeous show of hoop petticoats - looking forward to some Tonyg gave me flowering next spring

[Anthony Darby]

Shouldn't these be in the autumn flowering narcissi section?

[Tony Willis]

Gerd if I understand correctly then my serotinus from Turkey is now miniatus.

I hopefully will see several thousand next week and will try and take some photographs.

I am totally sceptical on these divisions and may even discover some new species whilst away.

Whatever they are called they are very lovely.

Having seen them before a straightforward observation is that those that grow in damper ground are more robust than those in dry ground.