Narcissus September - December 2009

[annew]

My stock is yellow, but nowhere near in flower yet.

[Gerry Webster]

I believe that N. rom. meastlanticus is another one of these muddled plants...

i.e., a  bulbocodium.  These plants make Sternbergias look like child's play as regards identification & classification.

[Maggi Young]

I believe that N. rom. meastlanticus is another one of these muddled plants...

i.e., a  bulbocodium.  These plants make Sternbergias look like child's play as regards identification & classification.

Yes, well..... I don't know why we even try to sort them out.... it's obvious none of them ever read a book and it doesn't seem to hinder them in their existence! I'm working very hard just to love them for themselves!   

[Gerry Webster]

Narcissus cantabricus ?

This is the name under which Anne Wright received & distributes this attractive hoop-petticoat.

However, I wonder about its identity since it doesn't seem to correspond with any of  Blanchard's descriptions of the various forms of N. cantabricus. It opens quite a strong yellow which fades to off-white in about 48 hrs. However, the  style remains yellow which, following Blanchard,  might suggest N. romieuxii or a hybrid with this.

Both Anne & I would be interested to hear any comments on the identity of this plant.

[Michael J Campbell]

I have been trying for ten years to get Narcissus cantabricus ssp. cantabricus and so far have failed. I have had bulbs from four different sources and grown some from seed, but none were true.

[Ian Y]

Narcissus cantabricus ?

This is the name under which Anne Wright received & distributes this attractive hoop-petticoat.

I would agree that it is not Narcissus cantabricus cantabricus but a form/ hybrid of N. romieuxii - possibly a seedling from the plant known as N. romieuxii mesatlanticus.

The only N. cantabricus that flowers at this time is N. cantabricus foliosus.
Narcissus cantabricus cantabricus does not flower until mid March for me and it has crystal white tube, petals, style and filaments.
I have attached a picture of my plant for reference.

[Lesley Cox]

I have been trying for ten years to get Narcissus cantabricus ssp. cantabricus and so far have failed. I have had bulbs from four different sources and grown some from seed, but none were true.

Join this little club Michael.

Nowadays I grow most of my romieuxii "named" forms just as N. romieuxii, except the very distinctive ones such as 'Atlas Gold' or 'Joy Bishop.' Can't see any difference beyween say, mesatlanticus and rifanus, all slightly different depending on where they were sourced.

[Gerry Webster]

Narcissus cantabricus ?

This is the name under which Anne Wright received & distributes this attractive hoop-petticoat.

I would agree that it is not Narcissus cantabricus cantabricus but a form/ hybrid of N. romieuxii - possibly a seedling from the plant known as N. romieuxii mesatlanticus.

The only N. cantabricus that flowers at this time is N. cantabricus foliosus.
Narcissus cantabricus cantabricus does not flower until mid March for me and it has crystal white tube, petals, style and filaments.
I have attached a picture of my plant for reference.

Nice to know that you agree Ian.
N. cantabricus foliosus is just coming into flower here. Last year a pure white bulbocodium received as N. cantabricus 'Antiquera' (sic) was in flower on 4th Jan - though whether it is this species is open to question.
These bulbocodiums were put on earth both to delight & to torment us.

[annew]

Thank you for your comments - I'll list it in future with several question marks, and folks can buy it as seen!  That is a gorgeous cantabricus cantabricus you have there Ian.

[Diane Clement]

N. cantabricus foliosus is just coming into flower here. Last year a pure white bulbocodium received as N. cantabricus 'Antiquera' (sic) was in flower on 4th Jan - though whether it is this species is open to question.
These bulbocodiums were put on earth both to delight & to torment us.  

Antiquera is a town north of Malaga and I suppose bulbs or seeds were collected in this area and given this name.  I don't know whether it is a clonal name or just a geographical name.  The picture below was taken near Antiquera in mid February and I think that Rafa confirmed these some time ago as N cantabricus cantabricus.  

[Gerry Webster]

Diane -  I remember looking at this photo earlier in the year. However, the plants I had as N. cantabricus 'Antiquera' were not quite like this in their first year of flowering. In particular the style was not exserted. Perhaps this will change in the second year, perhaps not. (By the way, I thought the name was 'Antequera', but maybe the spelling is variable).

[Diane Clement]

Diane -  I remember looking at this photo earlier in the year. However, the plants I had as N. cantabricus 'Antiquera' were not quite like this in their first year of flowering. In particular the style was not exserted. Perhaps this will change in the second year, perhaps not. (By the way, I thought the name was 'Antequera', but maybe the spelling is variable).

Doing a quick web check, it does seem that both spellings of Antiquera/Antequera are used.   

[Brian Duncan]

6. + 7. Narcissus x moronensis spec. nov.

Gerd,
Nice pictures, I've just been to the S. of Spain and have many similar pictures - except n. x moronensis which is new to me. I did see a lot of N. miniatus near Moron (good strong vigorous ones with 4-5 flowers /stem). Can you tell me more about N x moronensis, precise parentage,  where it was found, when & where published and by whom? - Your pictures look close to N. cavanillesii - what are the distinguishing characteristics? Are the flowers much larger than either of the parents. I apologise if you have already given all this information - I tend to dip into the 'Forum' from time to time and may miss things.
Brian Duncan

[Anthony Darby]

Rafa, are your flowers miniatus or serotinus. I guess I'll have to rename mine, as they all come from Turkey or Greece? It seems it is serotinus I don't have?!

[Rafa]

Anthony, they are N. miniatus, but I labeled them Narcissus deficiens Herbert, following our Spanish botanist. This species is the one that occurs in the Mediterranean and Narcissus serotinus grows only in North Morocco and South Spain/Portugal. So your narcisus is N. miniatus.

N. x moronensis is N. serotinus x N. cavanillesii, it s the old N. x perez-larae. Perez Lara described this hybrid with N. miniatus and N. x cavanillesii as parents and Gerd has described this hybrid between N. serotinus and N. cavanillesii.

It was published in Herbertia: Narcissus × moronensis G.Knoche -- Herbertia 62: 48 (45-58; figs. 4-8). 2009 ["2008"]