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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #315 on: November 13, 2009, 11:48:59 AM »
A thoroughly lousy day today, as was yesterday and is promised for the weekend! The greenhouse is looking a picture though albeit a soggy one at the moment.

Here is Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane' obtained a couple of years ago from Miniature Bulbs and labelled 'JCA 805'. JCA is Jim Archibald and JCA 805 was his 1963 collection, and named for his daughter.
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David Nicholson
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #316 on: November 13, 2009, 02:25:57 PM »
Quote from: David Nicholson on November 13, 2009, 11:48:59 AM
A thoroughly lousy day today, as was yesterday and is promised for the weekend! The greenhouse is looking a picture though albeit a soggy one at the moment.

Here is Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane' obtained a couple of years ago from Miniature Bulbs and labelled 'JCA 805'. JCA is Jim Archibald and JCA 805 was his 1963 collection, and named for his daughter.
David - I have the same plants from the same source though not yet in flower. I suspect they are seedlings & therefore not entitled to the clonal name. What appears to be genuine 'Julia Jane' is distributed by Pottertons.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #317 on: November 13, 2009, 07:33:43 PM »
Gerry, many thanks I was a bit suspicous that it couldn't be real given that it was from a 1963 collection. I wonder if Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane Group' might be a better name?

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David Nicholson
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #318 on: November 13, 2009, 08:34:17 PM »
two more Narcissus tazetta,one from Cyprus and one from Greece.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #319 on: November 13, 2009, 09:23:35 PM »
Tony, Beautiful late autumnal tazetta versions!
Akamas is also a good place for other interesting plants - Gladiolus triphyllus and Tulipa cypria for instance.

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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #320 on: November 13, 2009, 10:08:50 PM »
Quote from: David Nicholson on November 13, 2009, 07:33:43 PM
Gerry, many thanks I was a bit suspicous that it couldn't be real given that it was from a 1963 collection. I wonder if Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane Group' might be a better name?
David - Possible I suppose, though maybe misleading. I label mine  N. romieuxii ex JCA 805.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #321 on: November 14, 2009, 03:11:21 AM »
David,

'Julia Jane' is to my understanding a single clone, so labelling it as part of a group would then start to call into question the name 'Julia Jane' itself.  It should just be a seedling ex Julia Jane at the very most.  It doesn't look flat enough to be the real thing, although that could also be differences in climate etc.  Here, 'Julia Jane' is pretty much a flat flower.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #322 on: November 14, 2009, 11:41:51 AM »
Wow, Tony very interesting plants.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #323 on: November 14, 2009, 05:36:15 PM »
I have what is labelled Narcissus 'Camoro' flowering now.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #324 on: November 14, 2009, 07:32:23 PM »
No pic Anthony? The original cross, N. cantabricus x N. romieuxii, was made by Margaret and Henry Taylor did you get your bulb from them or from the original source, or is it likely to be a seedling?
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #325 on: November 14, 2009, 08:33:47 PM »
I agree and very strongly, that the name 'Julia Jane Group' would be very misleading, and in fact, quite wrong, since, as Paul points out, JJ is a clone so can't (shouldn't, mustn't) vary. The ex JCA 805 is appropriate and that collection - I think we've said all this before - gave us not only JJ but also 'Atlas Gold,' 'Treble Chance,' 'Joy Bishop,' and perhaps others, selected and then multiplied vegetatively. Alternatively, you could simply call yours N. romieuxii form. I'm going for the latter now myself, as I have so many seedlings from all of them but especially from JJ that while all very similar, they are several generations away from the original collection.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #326 on: November 14, 2009, 10:13:19 PM »
Quote from: David Nicholson on November 14, 2009, 07:32:23 PM
No pic Anthony? The original cross, N. cantabricus x N. romieuxii, was made by Margaret and Henry Taylor did you get your bulb from them or from the original source, or is it likely to be a seedling?
I'll take a pic tomorrow. Mine came from up north.
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #327 on: November 14, 2009, 11:27:21 PM »
'Julia Jane' is very reliable & comes up every year at about this time. Perhaps she deserves her own thread?
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #328 on: November 14, 2009, 11:38:31 PM »
Quote from: Gerry Webster on November 14, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
'Julia Jane' is very reliable & comes up every year at about this time. Perhaps she deserves her own thread?

She already does, Gerry.........http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=245.msg4949;topicseen#msg4949
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Re: Narcissus September - December 2009
« Reply #329 on: November 15, 2009, 09:59:55 AM »
Quote from: Maggi Young on November 14, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Quote from: Gerry Webster on November 14, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
'Julia Jane' is very reliable & comes up every year at about this time. Perhaps she deserves her own thread?

She already does, Gerry.........http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=245.msg4949;topicseen#msg4949
Many thanks Maggi. Where would we be without you?
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