Narcissus September - December 2009

[tonyg]

not really the place to ask, but I want to find more information on hybridizing in the genus Narcissus.  I've checked the various society websites, but, if there is any info specifically for hybridizing, I've missed it.  I have recently been gifted some nice seedlings and a few irish-bred cultivars and want to start working more seriously with the genus.
Also,  shouldn't Narcissus have it's own forum?  Strikes me as important enough and having the southern and northern threads together is a bit overwhelming. 
Jamie

Hopefully someone with the knowledge will point you at daffseek / daffnet  to assist with hybridising.

As I logged in I noted the Narcissus2009 thread is 95 pages - perhaps it should be done as a Monthly thread like Crocus.  This would help split N & S peak flowering times.  Maybe within a Narcissus section?

[Maggi Young]

As I logged in I noted the Narcissus2009 thread is 95 pages - perhaps it should be done as a Monthly thread like Crocus.  This would help split N & S peak flowering times.  Maybe within a Narcissus section?

 A point that  has been made and noted, Tony. We're planning that, but Seed Exchange matters are taking a lot of time at the moment!  

[Gerry Webster]

My first Narcissus of this season- I think maybe it is N.cantrabicus. Doing quite well considering I dug it out of a tomato bed a few weeks ago, where it has spent the summer rather wet being flooded every few days with lots of tomato food.  

Simon - as far as I can tell from your photo this plant has a yellowish style. My understanding of N. cantabricus is that it is pure white throughout. Nevertheless, it is very attractive.

[tonyg]

As I logged in I noted the Narcissus2009 thread is 95 pages - perhaps it should be done as a Monthly thread like Crocus.  This would help split N & S peak flowering times.  Maybe within a Narcissus section?

 A point that  has been made and noted, Tony. We're planning that, but Seed Exchange matters are taking a lot of time at the moment!  

AND WE ARE VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK

[Sinchets]

Thanks, Gerry. As always I am happy to relabel plants if anyone has a name. I am still waiting for the named Narcissus to flower, and I am hoping then that it will look like one of these.

[Oron Peri]

OK so this is the story..

I have shown allready this hybrid but not in its natural habitat..
This tiny area where i went this morning is  the only location where Narcissus tazetta [var. autumnale] meets populations of Narcissus serotinus.

After quite a short walk i have found two forms of hybrids: the first has more of the tazetta characteristics, robuster, having more flowers per stem, perfumed but not as good as tazetta, wider leaves.
the second hybrid is much more similar to serotinus: flowers held upright, no perfume, slender leaves.
Notice that the leaves are absent in N. serotinus while it is in bloom while both hybrids have them.

in two weeks time I'll go back to check if they are fertile.
This is the reason why i name them differently: N. tazetta x serotinus , N. serotinus x tazetta

[dominique]

gorgeous pics Oron ! thank you

[Gerdk]

My viridiflorus in flower

Congratulations - the species is very late and here somewhat more north it seems  buds will not open because of decreasing temperatures.

Gerd

[Gerdk]

OK so this is the story..

I have shown allready this hybrid but not in its natural habitat..
This tiny area where i went this morning is  the only location where Narcissus tazetta [var. autumnale] meets populations of Narcissus serotinus.

After quite a short walk i have found two forms of hybrids: the first has more of the tazetta characteristics having more flowers per stem, perfumed but not as good as tazetta, wider leaves.
the second hybrid is much more similar to serotinus: flowers held upright, no perfume, slender leaves.
Notice that the leaves are absent in N. serotinus while it is in bloom while both hybrids have them.

in two weeks time I'll go back to check if they are fertile.
This is the reason why i name them differently: N. tazetta x serotinus , N. serotinus x tazetta

Oron, Splendid views - especially the first pic!

It is stated that hybrid offspring is different depending on which of the two parent species acts as the male or the female partner.
Does the order ' tazetta x serotinus ' indicate that N. tazetta is the pollen parent?
Needless to tell that I'm interested in your fertility observations.

Gerd

[Oron Peri]

OK so this is the story..

I have shown allready this hybrid but not in its natural habitat..
This tiny area where i went this morning is  the only location where Narcissus tazetta [var. autumnale] meets populations of Narcissus serotinus.

After quite a short walk i have found two forms of hybrids: the first has more of the tazetta characteristics having more flowers per stem, perfumed but not as good as tazetta, wider leaves.
the second hybrid is much more similar to serotinus: flowers held upright, no perfume, slender leaves.
Notice that the leaves are absent in N. serotinus while it is in bloom while both hybrids have them.

in two weeks time I'll go back to check if they are fertile.
This is the reason why i name them differently: N. tazetta x serotinus , N. serotinus x tazetta

Oron, Splendid views - especially the first pic!

It is stated that hybrid offspring is different depending on which of the two parent species acts as the male or the female partner.
Does the order ' tazetta x serotinus ' indicate that N. tazetta is the pollen parent?
Needless to tell that I'm interested in your fertility observations.

Gerd

Hi Gerd,

I know that the name given to an hybrid differs by male or female parents which is easy to know when it is produced by human breeders and the whole process is being documented.

But how one can know which is the male parent in this case???

I suggested the names by who's characteristic is more shown [evident] in the hybrid which seems to me the right way, but i night be completely wrong by doing it...

[Rob Potterton]

Oron, that is a great photograph of a stunning Narcissus serotinus. Thank you for showing. 

[art600]

Oron

I had hoped to see N. tazetta on my recent trip to Turkey - no luck.  Now you spoil me with not only abundant tazetta but abundant serotinus, a particular favourite that is always shy to flower for me.  Then to top it all 2 distinct hybrids.  

[DaveM]

Oron - fabulous photos   - such hybrid populations are just awesome!!

I think that whilst you are absolutely right that both species have acted as pollen plants and that the names can be written as you have done, it is perhaps more normal to include all of the hybrid swarm under a single name with the form Narcissus x "specific epithet". Sorry, I don't know what your crosses are formally called, but another illustrative wild example from Spain is: Narcissus x christopheri which includes both N pannizzianus x N assoanus and N assoanus x N pannizzianus.

I would be really interested to hear whether these are fertile.....

[ashley]

Magnificent pictures Oron    
It's fascinating to see these plants in the wild.

[Paul T]

Excellent pics, Oron.  Excellent subjects, too!!    Thanks so much.